In all of my exchanges with you two, I have never been the one to initiate personal attacks. You guys, who do at least have the insight to recognize tthe fundamental weakness of the points you try to push, always are disparaging your antagonists motives, accusing them of having no interest in the truth, etc; in short, projecting your own faults on your antagonists. As for telling someone to stick their head up their arse, that is a jocular expression and doesn't compare, as incivility, to telling someone they are unconcerned with the truth (NS) or that they are "liars" and their ancestors were traitors (WP). There is nothing to be gained from interaction with the likes of you, so, I promise you, you will hear no more from me, ever. But please don't stop frequenting these threads ; as representatives of the Union side, with your obnoxious online personalities, I am sure you will continue to win converts for the Southern side. The South will rise again, maybe sooner with your aid.