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Facts and Myths - an examination of McPherson's "Causes of the Civil War" essay
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Posted on 08/09/2002 3:38:13 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist

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I was going to post this earlier but I wanted to start out the morning with it and get a full day's replies. I'll give you a little while to respond before responding further. Tell me what you think or if you want to, defend or take on the arguments. Have at it!
1 posted on 08/09/2002 3:38:14 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Twodees; stainlessbanner; wardaddy; shuckmaster; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
Bump! The yankees asked to see McPherson rebutted so I decided to give it a try. Feel free to add anything I may have missed!
2 posted on 08/09/2002 3:41:00 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Just to make things interesting, I'll give you a head start. Go ahead Walt. Defend McPherson.
3 posted on 08/09/2002 4:21:36 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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bump
4 posted on 08/09/2002 4:27:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
Thanks for the ping. This should be interesting.
5 posted on 08/09/2002 4:28:44 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: GOPcapitalist
You suppose that numbers constitute the strength of government in this day. I tell you that it is not blood; it is the military chest; it is the almighty dollar. When you have lost your market; when your operatives are turned out; when your capitalists are broken, will you go to direct taxation?" - Louis T. Wigfall, United States Senate, December 1860


"Direct taxation" at least Wigfall saw it coming. The party of protectionist tariffs is now the party of protectionist free trade, now that the manufacturing and banking class depend on it. And direct taxation has removed all restraints on growth/power of the fedgov.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 4:38:43 AM PDT by steve50
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To: GOPcapitalist
"...whether this fragile republic would survive in a world of monarchs and emperors and dictators or would follow the example of most republics through history (including many in the nineteenth century) and collapse into tyranny..?

I'll take my stand and say this republic can survive.
Great work, GOPC - I always enjoy your research and thought provoking articles.

7 posted on 08/09/2002 5:24:49 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: *dixie_list
Filing
8 posted on 08/09/2002 5:25:43 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: GOPcapitalist; TexConfederate1861; LibKill; southernpatriot_usa; SC Swamp Fox; Constitution Day; ...
Bookmark...
9 posted on 08/09/2002 5:34:47 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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Check out GOPcapitalist's latest work.
10 posted on 08/09/2002 5:37:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: GOPcapitalist
Bump for later. Looks good GOPC. Great work
11 posted on 08/09/2002 6:09:15 AM PDT by billbears
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To: GOPcapitalist
Bump!
12 posted on 08/09/2002 6:12:40 AM PDT by aomagrat
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To: stainlessbanner
Handy Rebuttal bump and add this Copperhead to your list.
13 posted on 08/09/2002 6:18:27 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: GOPcapitalist
From the Articles of Secession, State of Mississippi...


Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists...
14 posted on 08/09/2002 7:30:07 AM PDT by marron
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To: GOPcapitalist
Kudos to you sir! I want to know when you're going to publish a book?

Since I'm too cheap to purchase "Battle Cry" due to the fact that its revenues go into the pocket of an avowed Democrat with marxist political affiliations ...

A popular sentiment around here! You're not cheap - you're intelligent - you wouldn't subsidize Osama bin Laden either.

On a serious note, once you discount and remove Lincoln's and Litte "Red" McPherson's lies, was their anything left?

15 posted on 08/09/2002 7:36:31 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: GOPcapitalist
From the Articles of Secession of South Carolina

[p17]
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows:

[p18]
"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

[p19]
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

[p20]
The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

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The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

[p22]
The ends for which this Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

[p23]
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

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We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

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For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

[p26]
This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its peace and safety.

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On the 4th of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

[p28]
The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

16 posted on 08/09/2002 7:43:21 AM PDT by marron
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To: GOPcapitalist
From the Articles of Secession of the State of Georgia...

The Presidential election of 1852 resulted in the total overthrow of the advocates of restriction and their party friends. Immediately after this result the anti-slavery portion of the defeated party resolved to unite all the elements in the North opposed to slavery an to stake their future political fortunes upon their hostility to slavery everywhere. This is the party to whom the people of the North have committed the Government. They raised their standard in 1856 and were barely defeated. They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded.

The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.

With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers.

The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.

For forty years this question has been considered and debated in the halls of Congress, before the people, by the press, and before the tribunals of justice. The majority of the people of the North in 1860 decided it in their own favor. We refuse to submit to that judgment...

...For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates.

These are the same men who say the Union shall be preserved.

Such are the opinions and such are the practices of the Republican party, who have been called by their own votes to administer the Federal Government under the Constitution of the United States. We know their treachery; we know the shallow pretenses under which they daily disregard its plainest obligations. If we submit to them it will be our fault and not theirs...
17 posted on 08/09/2002 8:00:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: GOPcapitalist
What is your source that McPherson is a Marxist?
18 posted on 08/09/2002 8:05:32 AM PDT by Paid4This
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A majority of northerners were opponents of abolition at the time of the war

This was true of the people in my hometown in northern Ohio. The people of this town were well known for returning runway slaves. Eventually the Underground Railroad gave this town a wide berth. This bit of the town’s history is not well known today. It is not politically correct in a town with a fairly large African-American population.

19 posted on 08/09/2002 8:13:53 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: GOPcapitalist
A well deserved bump!
20 posted on 08/09/2002 8:49:53 AM PDT by wardaddy
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