[mtngrl@vrwc]

Well, Bud, when I said "a few good conservatives", I knew it was more than could be counted on both hands. However, I didn't have the demographics at hand or I would have pinpointed it down.

Well...I hate to be a stickler for detail here, but 4.5 million people isn't even close to the fingers on both of my hands. Yours?

I mean, you were just trying to make it sound like very few Californians are conservative. That's not even close to the truth. The whole Central Valley is very conservative. Heck, Free Republic was founded here! It's really only two small, very heavily populated areas that rule California, LA and SF.

How do you think we 4.5 million Californians feel that our state is a winner-take-all state when it comes to electoral votes? It makes us feel like our vote does not count.

[luckodeirish]

Our vote did not count on prop 187.....

[Joe Hadenuf]

California is the crown jewel of this great country. If any state is worth fighting for, it's California!

[Paul Atreides]

Like I said, I didn't have the demographics. "Few" is a generic term (You know, when someone says "I have a few bucks in the bank."). If you will read my previous statements, you will see that I was speaking of the areas such as Hollywood and San Francisco. I would no sooner assume that a majority of Californians are liberals than one anyone would assume that a majority of Alabamians are rednecks.