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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
No, I don't think so. Just think for a minute (an Atlas of the Middle East open in front of you may be helpful). Which country currently involved in conflict (I exclude the Emirates) has the LEAST land area, and the MOST densely concentrated population? Which country could be eliminated utterly with the smallest number of nuclear weapons?

LOL! Just like the Ranger Airborne! You look at a map and all you see is land. Take another look. Now if you were a Marine you would notice the land portion of the map but you would also take note of the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, and Mediterranean Sea?

Do you know what is under that water? Type 800 Dolphin class submarines built in German shipyards for the Israel Navy. Extremely modern submarines with the most advanced sailing and combat systems in the world. According to more than one source these submarines are carrying nuclear-armed Popeye Turbo cruise missiles for the expressed purpose of deterring an enemy from trying to take out its nuclear weapons with a surprise attack. Under a system of rotation, two of the vessels would remain at sea: one in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, the other in the Mediterranean.

Now, here is the tough question: if Israel actually used nuclear weapons on any of it's neighbors, how long could it survive?

The answer is: a few days at the very most.

Not so tough. Israel would survive as long as the Arab nations wanted to survive.

Nuclear weapons are a DETERRENT- if they are used, the game is over for Israel.

Israel's naval nuclear weapons remain a deterrent in every scenario you wish to discuss. I do not think for a moment that any Arab nation will come to Iraq's defense. To do so simply means the last strike will be Israel's and the matter will be settled. No Israel? Maybe. But no Arab world either.

11 posted on 08/05/2002 12:35:44 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: hflynn
Your point about Israel having seaborne defenses is well-taken- I do tend to concentrate on land warfare and it's difficulties.

Still, I see no chance that Israel would ever use nuclear weapons, except as retaliation for the use of such weapons against her. Thus my argument is unchanged by the presence or absence of Israeli submarines, laser anti-missile systems, or anything else that comes to mind.

12 posted on 08/05/2002 2:30:12 PM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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