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To: yendu bwam
It's for the children after all

Horsepucky. I understand and share your sentiments about the crime and the perpetrators in this thread. My problem is that the FBI is generating, storing, and SELLING this crap which makes them just as complicit and guilty as your average pervert with a modem. You can beat someone to death with a Bible, but that doesn't assure you a place in heaven.
12 posted on 08/03/2002 5:53:16 PM PDT by SandfleaCSC
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To: SandfleaCSC
Please, these sick SOB's paid for pictures of an adult molesting a 4 month old.
13 posted on 08/03/2002 6:07:37 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: SandfleaCSC
"My problem is that the FBI is generating, storing, and SELLING this crap which makes them just as complicit and guilty as your average pervert with a modem."

Oh horsesh*t! What kind of "bait" do you suggest using to nail these pervs -- a Cartoon Network link??

17 posted on 08/03/2002 6:16:32 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: SandfleaCSC
My problem is that the FBI is generating, storing, and SELLING this crap which makes them just as complicit and guilty as your average pervert with a modem.

AGREED!

When you understand how so much of this stuff is mind poison, you have to wonder how many kids have been molested solely because the FBI planted the ideas into the perp's head.

Not to seem too gung-ho on the censorship thing, because I know that when you look at the numbers, the vast majority of people who have seen child porn do not molest anyone -- just as the vast majority of people who watch horror movies don't do anything like the recent vampyre killing in England. It's the few who do that were pushed to it by the FBI.

Anyway, causality of that sort is a moral issue, not a legal one, and although morals worry me more than laws, I have to wonder about the legality of what was done -- not just in the sense of the validity of convictions, but the potential criminal charges against FBI personnel who did this.

What would be said if the FBI sold heroin to tens of thousands of people, then arrested them all for simple possession? Surely some of the resulting addicts would never have become addicts were it not for the FBI???!!!

If someone could show that they developed a sexual problem as a direct result of the porn, or if could be shown that someone was molested in the immediate aftermath of government porn being viewed, there could be a huge lawsuit coming.

LE is getting away with too much, IMO, especially lately! I don't think the moral or legal line is at all vague in this example, it is difficult to believe that so many people (however many FBI personnel were involved in the operation) could cross it so clearly and not understand that they were wrong.

More likely some people thought they found a way to look at it without getting in trouble.

21 posted on 08/03/2002 7:09:24 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: SandfleaCSC
Horsepucky. I understand and share your sentiments about the crime and the perpetrators in this thread. My problem is that the FBI is generating, storing, and SELLING this crap which makes them just as complicit and guilty as your average pervert with a modem. You can beat someone to death with a Bible, but that doesn't assure you a place in heaven.

7,000 people in England are guilty of helping to create a market in pictures in which little kids have been forced into sexual acts. This is evil, pure and simple. Do you have a better idea for getting these people behind bars? If not, this will do just fine. I care more about these kids than about the FBI. I would think that most people would.

42 posted on 08/03/2002 8:25:28 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: SandfleaCSC
Try reading the article.

All of the paedophiles registered on the pay-per-view websites between May 1999 and September last year. Every customer had to provide an e-mail address and his credit card details: by return they were sent a username and password to enable them to log on to a paedophile site. In October, detectives in the US arrested the websites' owners and seized the database.

The FBI did not generate, operate or sell anything. They shut down a site and are using it's database that goes back three years to bust pervs who purchased kiddie porn.

No intrapment here at all, just pedophiles getting caught trading money for dirty pics of kids.

54 posted on 08/03/2002 10:30:53 PM PDT by Valpal1
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