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Research helps dispel marijuana myths
Sober Talk ^ | Thursday, August 1, 2002 | By BECKY CLARK, MSW, CSW

Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As we endeavor toward a more lucid and informed discussion of substance abuse, let's deconstruct the mystique of marijuana and recognize it for the dangerous drug that it is.

Marijuana is a substance that's worthy of our concern. It is the most prevalent of all illicit drugs used in the country. The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cannibus; justsaynoelle; wodlist
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To: liberallarry
I'll ignore the distorted ad-hominems.

There, see how nicer things are when no one goes around hanging labels on people?

You haven't covered anything. You're already paying for prison time, some of which is punishment for genuinly bad behavior. You have to show that societal havoc will increase dramatically if pot is legalized, and that it will be more costly than the drug war which, itself, is wreaking societal havoc in many ways. Show your stuff.

Here goes. I honestly believe (cannot prove, since legalization hasn't happened) that the same costs associated with alcohol will ramp up for pot usage. Car accidents that kill people and wreck property, people missing days at work or doing sloppy unacceptable work, higher insurance premiums, unfairly born by those who don't imbibe, people who become addicted and spend money they don't have or shouldn't spend, and so on. Heck, even litter and crap everywhere. New government agencies come to life to tax and regulate the product. Horrors!

There's something else. Every human action alters reality. Otherwise, what would be the point? A night's sleep, a good meal, an unexpected smile, a small gift. All can profoundly alter a person's outlook. So it's not alteration of reality that bothers you but only a particular type; the drug experience in general and marijuana in particular. Yet your posts show you have very little understanding of it. Rather you're motivated by fear. Fear that drugs will unloose the demons and destroy your world. In that way you seem remarkably close to Anslinger.

I've been stoned, I've been drunk, I've been drunk and stoned at the same time. I've been so stoned I was having visual hallucinations. I speak from that, and from the kind of world I want.

Hey, you all, I have to fly, the pizza's here. It was a blast!

And headsonpike, you stay cute, you little rascal!

Scourge

623 posted on 08/02/2002 11:50:31 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: Scourge of God
Well, I suppose on the basis that a legislature here and there has passed such a law.

Let's stick to the secular. From what does a legislature derive its powers to legislate?

624 posted on 08/02/2002 11:50:41 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Scourge of God
This 'little rascal' will cheerfully remain just as cute as a button.

I'll bet you're a ham 'n pineapple man. ;^)

Be brave! Try the anchovie/jalapeno sometime!
625 posted on 08/02/2002 11:54:23 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Ken H
Thanks for the ping, Ken H. Basically I believe the whole issue should revolve back to the individual states, but I would oppose the decriminalization of any of the hard drugs. Using the Federal FDA/DEA/CDC for testing/research/stats is a good idea so as to not unnecessarily duplicate efforts 50 times.
626 posted on 08/02/2002 11:58:46 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: tacticalogic
... the end justifying the means ...

That's the modern statist's way of being real.

... the idea of maintaining a Constitutionally limited Republic ...

That's a part of the reality from which the modern statist escapes.

627 posted on 08/02/2002 11:58:56 AM PDT by apochromat
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To: TonyRo76
Well said.
628 posted on 08/02/2002 12:00:09 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: TonyRo76
If a sufficient number of voters (a majority) would wish to repeal the Federal ban on MJ, then fine.

I was probably less clear than I could have been, so let me clarify my question.

In your understanding of the Constitution, is the Federal government delegated the power to outlaw the domestic cultivation, sale, and use of MJ?

If yes, point out to me the part which does so.

If no, then do you favor the repeal of such Federal laws?

629 posted on 08/02/2002 12:03:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Scourge of God
No matter what you do in your own living room, you're still a link in the supply chain of criminals [not if I found it growing in my back yard] and those who don't care about the law. You're still impairing your mental and physical abilities.[I will accept your sincerity only if you agree that everything imparing mental and physical abilities be controlled by the government, including insufficient sleep, poor diet, not doing homework] You are still a menace, more of a menace than you would be sober.

You use the words of the tyrannt, of having to restrict liberty for my "better" interests. Do you really think you need to make my decsions for fear I'll make a mistake? If so, you've already made a far larger mistake: you've ceded your liberty, and you are willing to cede mine.

I'd really like to se your definition of liberty.

630 posted on 08/02/2002 12:04:12 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: apochromat
That's a part of the reality from which the modern statist escapes.

Maybe they'll wake up when the hangover kicks in their front door.

631 posted on 08/02/2002 12:07:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: DJ MacWoW
You ever listen to a stammering drunk? What's the difference?
632 posted on 08/02/2002 12:09:23 PM PDT by jayef
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To: WyldKard
The irony that Willy fails to see is that Jefferson was talking about being vigilant against the excesses of the Federal Government...

True. And the pity is he honestly believes tyranny is liberty.

633 posted on 08/02/2002 12:10:32 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Whilom
yeah, like the license to move about freely, be sucure in my possessions, drive my car, associate with who i choose, you know all that civil rights type stuff.
634 posted on 08/02/2002 12:12:56 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Scourge of God
I'd try to change the hearts of people.

My approach as well because attempting to legislate away personal choice causes way, way more problems than drug use ever would. Education, persuasion, appeal to reason work. Telling people, "Because I say so," usually has exactly the opposite result of what was intended.

635 posted on 08/02/2002 12:18:01 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: liberallarry
Well, then. No more television, movies, fictional books, junk food, chocolate, parties, casual conversation. No more hiking, biking, casual sports.

You left out board games.

636 posted on 08/02/2002 12:20:34 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Scourge of God
Actually, no I don't. People can and do use cocaine recreationally and hold down professional jobs. So what. As far as rape and murder, how do you equate that to smoking marijuana or using cocaine?
637 posted on 08/02/2002 12:21:45 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Scourge of God
what if i grew the weed in my back yard? would you feel the same way? maybe we're close to some kind of agreement here.
638 posted on 08/02/2002 12:24:17 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Scourge of God
I think society found it was cheaper, and better, to have legal alcohol than try to prohibit it - which was not possible. What Juliani showed in New York was that enforcement of basic laws pertaining to sanitation, common decency, and personal safety was all that was required to ensure a very interesting level of civilized life. Drugs themselves have little to do with it.

So you've been drunk and stoned. I know lots of drunks who have not the slightest idea of fine wines or their place in an elegant life.

Enjoy your pizza. I'm sure I'll be hearing from you.

640 posted on 08/02/2002 12:34:51 PM PDT by liberallarry
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