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Research helps dispel marijuana myths
Sober Talk ^ | Thursday, August 1, 2002 | By BECKY CLARK, MSW, CSW

Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As we endeavor toward a more lucid and informed discussion of substance abuse, let's deconstruct the mystique of marijuana and recognize it for the dangerous drug that it is.

Marijuana is a substance that's worthy of our concern. It is the most prevalent of all illicit drugs used in the country. The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cannibus; justsaynoelle; wodlist
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To: JediGirl
Same here. Still not quite sure how it's making me a menace...
561 posted on 08/02/2002 10:22:31 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: 4Freedom
I believe Knighthawk posted the link in posts #333 and #447.

Okay, in #333, all KH really says is : Amsterdam may be nice. But don't go to 'de Bijlmer' at night. You will be mugged or shot just as quickly as in the worst parts of NY, while there only live less than a million people. How come Dutch cities, which are much smaller than US cities, are just as dangerous?

Ask the people in Rotterdam, where half the people feel so unsafe to go on the streets at evenings.



This isn't Scientifically valid data, this is heresay and conjecture. I can say "Boy! Japan is very dangerous! Don't walk down the streets day or night, because roving bands of sailor suited girls will pop a cap in your ass as soon as look at ya!", and my words would carry the same weight.

As for #447...nothing is mentioned about whether there was a direct correlation between drug legalization and rising homocide rates. And I don't think it talked about any other contributing factors. I mean, it' pretty easy to look at charts detailing the homocide rates for 1920-1933 (the time of Prohibition) and see how they spike up to levels not seen again until 1975, and then see how they come crashing down to the ground AS SOON AS Prohibition is lifted, and make an initial, semi-valid conclusion that Prohibition caused homocides to spike up.

On the ooooother hand....if someone out there wants to post data proving that drug legalization in the Netherlands helped bring crime DOWN...the onus is on them as well...
562 posted on 08/02/2002 10:24:09 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: JediGirl; Wolfie
Clicked on wrong poster to reply to.
563 posted on 08/02/2002 10:25:07 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: WyldKard
By what data do you use to draw these conclusions, and that figure? You seem to be assuming that pot use would shoot up DRAMATICALLY if pot was legalized. Do you really believe people are baseless savages who are merely held in check by force of law alone?

Ok, then how about: within ten years of national pot legalization, the social costs of marijuana consumption would equal those of alcohol. As for your last sentence in the above paragraph, you could make a good case for that being at least somewhat true.

By what data do you use to make this hypothesis? (I'm just trying to understand your logic process here.) Given that alcohol seems to cause MORE problems than pot, why not ban the former, and legalize the latter? If re-legalizing alcohol didn't destroy the Republic, why do you make such dire preductions for marijuana?

Banning booze would be stupid. People have always consumed it, going back to the beginning of recorded history. I don't imbibe, but I realize that it's a big human thing to get drunk. So be it. That is not an argument to legalize pot.

The republic will take care of itself: even Bill Clinton's best efforts to destroy us seem to be coming up short. I do not want to pay the costs for other people's inebriation. And I will if pot is legalized. If I have to pay, then I'd like the satisfaction of knowing the bastards robbing my money are in jail.

If nothing else, would you at least agree that a Federal War on Drugs is a violation of the 10th Amendment, and that the issue should be decided upon by the individual States? If you believe that the Federal Government has the power to do what it does with the WoD right now, please point out to me in the Constitution granting this power to the Fed.

I am ashamed to admit I don't know what the tenth is. However, I do whole-heartedly, without hesitation, embrace the belief that the issue, drug abuse, should be decided and handled by individual states. As nearly every single issue should.

Trust me, we lose far, far more money (billions upon billions) with smoking, drinking, and fatty foods. Why aren't you championing the illegalization of alcohol, smoking, and fatty foods?

Those things cost me money as well, I suppose. However, I imbibe in fatty foods, and I do so of my own free will. And they don't cloud my judgment or impair my reaction time. And I don't smoke, but smokers have the right to smoke. I just wish I didn't have to pay for the mofo's medical bills.

564 posted on 08/02/2002 10:26:11 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: Scourge of God
Banning booze would be stupid. People have always consumed it, going back to the beginning of recorded history. I don't imbibe, but I realize that it's a big human thing to get drunk. So be it. That is not an argument to legalize pot.

People have been doing drugs for ages. Why is that an argument valid for keeping booze legal, but not pot?

565 posted on 08/02/2002 10:27:15 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: A2J
Well, it seems that the "birds of paradise" are coming back to roost in that bastion of libertarianism, "Eurotopia."

You may be the only person under the impression that Europe is a haven of libertarianism.

566 posted on 08/02/2002 10:27:15 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: JediGirl
Still not quite sure how it's making me a menace...

Simply put, its because they don't like it. Adds to the pleasure, as far as I'm concerned.

567 posted on 08/02/2002 10:28:19 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Scourge of God
Mega dittoes to your comments on the appropriate size and functions of the Federal government!

I can see you are a fellow Tenth Amendment champion.

Where, in your opinion, is the Federal government delegated by the Constitution the power to conduct a domestic WOD?

569 posted on 08/02/2002 10:29:06 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
You gotta check out this site http://users.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Ludlow/madness.html
570 posted on 08/02/2002 10:31:38 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: TonyRo76
Amen!
571 posted on 08/02/2002 10:32:49 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: Scourge of God
However, I do whole-heartedly, without hesitation, embrace the belief that the issue, drug abuse, should be decided and handled by individual states. As nearly every single issue should.

The issue here is federal prohibition and the federal WOD. The only way it can become a state issue is for it to cease to become a federal issue - ie it has to be legalized at the federal level.

572 posted on 08/02/2002 10:34:14 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Ken H
Mega dittoes to your comments on the appropriate size and functions of the Federal government! I can see you are a fellow Tenth Amendment champion. Where, in your opinion, is the Federal government delegated by the Constitution the power to conduct a domestic WOD?

The same place they get the power to declare abortion a right, to decide they can own and control property in every state, to regulate a mom and pop store that may just happen to get one product in their store from another state:

From out of thin air.

573 posted on 08/02/2002 10:35:36 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: Scourge of God
You just answered my question in my prior post, and I wholeheartedly agree that it is a State issue.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor forbidden by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

--Amendment X

574 posted on 08/02/2002 10:35:41 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Scourge of God
"But it's reaaal brave of you to taunt someone over the internet."

You call that taunting, ribbon clerk?

I've read your other posts; there's nothing really there to respond to except your unfounded prejudices and internalized socialist agitprop.

You seem very full of yourself when you're taunting teenagers; try me on, big boy.

Your rationalizations for the status quo demonstrate only your lack of moral and ethical imagination. Mouthing slogans is your forte; all of which lies are based upon implicit or explicit socialist premises.

You are a 'useful idiot' of American Socialism.

Now, that's 'taunting'.

Good day.
575 posted on 08/02/2002 10:35:53 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Scourge of God
But there is no such thing as a totally victimless crime

Ciminality is defined by the state. Aren't you saying that all laws are just? Perhaps that's just a logical quibble.

What most of us have been trying to tell you is that bad behavior is not synonymous with pot use. That's pretty simple. Are you saying you simply refuse to believe it? Or, if you do believe it, are you saying that bad behavior by some pot users justifies making criminals of the rest of us - or at least prohibiting us from enjoying it?

576 posted on 08/02/2002 10:37:13 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Scourge of God
"From out of thin air."

Yes sir!

577 posted on 08/02/2002 10:37:14 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: headsonpikes; JediGirl
You call that taunting...

"Your father was a hamster, and your mother smelled of elderberry!"

Now that's taunting!

578 posted on 08/02/2002 10:39:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: JediGirl
People have been doing drugs for ages. Why is that an argument valid for keeping booze legal, but not pot?

I'm holding the line; I'm preserving a sane way of life; I am on the ramparts thrusting my sword into the guts of the howling barbarian.

I don't want anymore ugly crap in my culture!

We're debased enough. We have our sins, so be it. We don't need to add more. No good can come from it.

579 posted on 08/02/2002 10:39:41 AM PDT by Scourge of God
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To: TonyRo76
So, do you agree that Federal laws against marijuana should be abolished, given that you think they are unconstitutional?
580 posted on 08/02/2002 10:39:41 AM PDT by Ken H
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