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Research helps dispel marijuana myths
Sober Talk ^ | Thursday, August 1, 2002 | By BECKY CLARK, MSW, CSW

Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As we endeavor toward a more lucid and informed discussion of substance abuse, let's deconstruct the mystique of marijuana and recognize it for the dangerous drug that it is.

Marijuana is a substance that's worthy of our concern. It is the most prevalent of all illicit drugs used in the country. The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cannibus; justsaynoelle; wodlist
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To: TonyRo76
Once again, this is an ad hominem attack. You do not address any of the issues surrounding legalization of marijuana. You address yourself to the people who dislike the WoD and you do so by casting aspersions and making assumptions about their character.
361 posted on 08/01/2002 11:23:01 AM PDT by jayef
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To: headsonpikes
I stand corrected on the spelling of debater....



We all know that presumption goes hand in hand with assumption, and we also know about assumptions....

And I've got 'last resorts' that you haven't dreamed of. ;^)

So be having to resort to "last resorts" must mean you are losing. :)
362 posted on 08/01/2002 11:23:08 AM PDT by newcats
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To: clamper1797

I don't beleive that a company should be able to demand an employee to check their God given rights at the company door. The contract between an employer and employee is one of a business nature and not one of servitude.

Each party is free to refuse entering into contract thus there cannot be servitude. Likewise the company can refuse to employee a person if they suspect the person would harm the company just as the prospective employee can refuse a job offer if they think the employer will harm them. Nobody is initiating force on anyone. How do you feel about having brain surgery done by an alcoholic brain surgeon?

When you invite a person onto your property do you judge there conduct according to the constitution or according to the rules that you have set? Sure the constitution says that they have freedom of speech and can watch and create pornographic videos, but does that mean you have to allow your visitors to do it on your property?

363 posted on 08/01/2002 11:26:03 AM PDT by Zon
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To: TonyRo76
I am trying to engage you in a debate. So far you have given me absolutely no reason to believe that you are capable of it. Respond to this with slander if you like, but in doing so, know that I will no longer engage you in debate and will unilaterally declare myself the winner!
364 posted on 08/01/2002 11:26:07 AM PDT by jayef
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To: newcats
Quickly erasing that darn "be" before someone jumps on my grammer....
365 posted on 08/01/2002 11:26:09 AM PDT by newcats
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To: TonyRo76
Cool! I'll be there, front & center, cheering on my team. Hot dogs, anyone?

Yeah all you WODies can ride to the event together in that little bus you ride / used to ride to school

366 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:30 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: TonyRo76
I've stated before, in different words, that the pro-pot crowd is motivated by little more than self-indulgence and the need to satisfy a self-destructive craving.

So in one breath you slander your opponents...

It's an immature attitude, defended primarily by slandering honest conservatives and calling us names

And in the next you complain that you are being slandered. That is hardly the hallmark of an honest conservative...

368 posted on 08/01/2002 11:29:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: TonyRo76
What I suspect you'd end up with is a handful of states (Vermont, Nevada, maybe Mass. and/or California) becoming the magnet-like haven for happyweed hounds--along with bigger social problems--and the rest of the states would remain normal, sane, perhaps even quieter and with less crime.

Colorado has decriminalized posession of up to an ounce into a summary offense. It has not become a pothead magnet. There were pot users in Colorado before they changed the law, and there were pot users in Colorado after they changed the law. All they did was make a decision to quit wasting valuable court and prison resouces on pot.

370 posted on 08/01/2002 11:31:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: TonyRo76
Well, not exactly. What does pot being bad for me have to do with its legal status? Can you not separate the two issues?

The question I'd like you to answer is, why is pot being bad for me, bad for you?

I think I know exactly how you'll answer this, but I'll go ahead and give you the rope anyway.
371 posted on 08/01/2002 11:35:35 AM PDT by jayef
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To: TonyRo76
You have failed miserably in demonstrating the linkage between legalized drugs and rising crime. There is ample evidence to the contrary which has been amply demonstrated in this forum.
372 posted on 08/01/2002 11:38:20 AM PDT by jayef
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To: TonyRo76
Forgive my irreverence, but this totally fuels my already negative stereotype of you overindulgent, self-absorbed, degenerate ex-hippies all who wish you were still wallowing in the mud at Woodstock, or exchanging "free love" at the corner of Haight & Ashbury.

I was born in 1968. Quit watching Forest Gump.

373 posted on 08/01/2002 11:39:06 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: sweet_diane
What gets me is that the government does several magnitudes more harm to businesses in general than employees that do drugs harm companies. Comparatively, the benefits of solving a potential drug problem within a company are trivial benefits gained compared to the massive benefits gained by solving the real government-initiation-of force-problem against the company.

Seems to me the 'big picture' keeps getting bigger and bigger.

It gets bigger all the way to the point of identifying politicians and bureaucrats as being the problem and individuals that are employees or employers in the private sector are the solution.

War of Two Worlds
Value Creators versus Value Destroyers

Politics is not the solution. It's the problem!

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.

Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.

Any government agency that is a value to the people and society -- which there are but a few -- could better serve the people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.

Wake up! They are the parasites. We are the host. We don't need them. They need us.

374 posted on 08/01/2002 11:40:47 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
I believe that there is a difference between someones personal property at home and a business where people are employed.
One has the right to not invite (fill in the race, religion, sexual orientation here) people to their homes.
However I believe that business should not be able to discriminate against these people at the workplace.
Granted I do NOT have to accept an invite to someones home if that invitation is dependant on the host rifling thru my ladies purse and my pants pockets.
BUT there generally is no financial harm in refusing an invitation to visit someone's home.
However, in order to work one MUST (except those who are self employed) go to the work site.
The fact that one must enter the property on threat of unemployment/poverty/hunger, IMHO puts that property under public domain as far as the BoR goes.
Let me make an example ... lets say that the police have been privatized, since they are now under the auspicies of a private company are they now exempt from the BoR ?
I certainly hope not.
If businesses were left without ANY control it is also my opinion we would quickly return to the days of sweatshops and child labor.
Though I am a little "l" libertarian edging on RLC I believe this is one area that needs to be controlled.
375 posted on 08/01/2002 11:48:56 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Together with the tone, content and purpose of your other posts on this thread, you should know that jokes in that same line of communicationis hardly to be taken as such. But, I don't think you meant it as a joke. I think you meant to communicate that cannabis impairs memory and unfocuses consciousness, with the defensive option of being "offended" when someone calls you on it.

I've seen this tactic used before. I don't hold your position as a "joke" as it impacts the liberty of many innocent and productive people, is instrumental in trashing some of the most cherished provisions in our Constitution, spreads corruption among the very agencies that are to safegard out rights and invades our homes without leave.

Joke? Not hardly. You might as well joke about the legless man begging on the street. Take your "jokes" elsewhere.

376 posted on 08/01/2002 11:53:28 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: TonyRo76
http://www.detnews.com/2002/livingston/0208/01/d05l-551008.htm

Could you be the next victim of your beneficent government?

You have nothing to hide, right? You're a law abiding citizen, right? The Patriot Act will only be used against those other guys, those "terrorists", right?
377 posted on 08/01/2002 11:53:53 AM PDT by jayef
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To: Zon

Exactly what the Marxist ideologues tell the so-called wage-slaves about the thieving robber-baron bosses. LOL!

378 posted on 08/01/2002 11:56:32 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: MEGoody
Secondly, pot does impair thought processes, reaction time and so forth. In other words, it does not leave you sober and clear minded as we are admonished to be.

And I posted a clear example out of many that it does not. Believe what you will in spite of the reams of objective research that, in addition to my ancedote, proves otherwise. Just don't advocate using the indescriminate and brutal power of the state to enforce your beliefs.

379 posted on 08/01/2002 11:58:19 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: jayef
It what a lot of us were saying - the provisions in the Patriot Act would NOT be limited to terrorism. From the article:

HOWELL -- The unsuccessful May 20 drug raid of a Howell family's home nearly cost the Livingston and Washtenaw Narcotic Enforcement Team (LAWNET) the support of its only municipal member, the city of Howell.

City Council debated Monday whether to sign a new two-year agreement with LAWNET, the county's only drug-fighting task force. Council members said they were concerned about possible abuse of the state's new anti-terrorism laws by LAWNET officers during and after the raid.

The raid was perhaps the state's first known instance of law enforcement officers using new anti-terrorism police powers in a case unrelated to terrorism, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan. But Brighton criminal defense Attorney Ron Plunkett said it's not the first time LAWNET has been heavy-handed.

LAWNET officers failed to leave a copy of the search warrant at the residence, the home of a single mother and her three children. Only a 17-year-old boy was home at the time of the raid, which produced no evidence of criminal activity.

Later, Livingston County Circuit Court officials refused to provide the mother with the affidavits that justified the search warrant.

Court and law enforcement officials cited the new anti-terrorism laws, signed into law in April, which make search warrant affidavits nonpublic. Last week, a new law sponsored by state Sen. Bill Bullard, R-Highland, was signed into law, making such affidavits public after 56 days.

ACLU Communication Director Wendy Wagenheim said the Howell raid was the first she's heard of in which officials tried to use new police powers designed to fight terrorism. It's just the kind of abuse the ACLU has feared could occur as a result of the federal USA Patriot Act approved by Congress in October and Michigan adopted in April.

380 posted on 08/01/2002 11:59:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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