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California Fights For Federal Funds for Immigrant Incarceration
Copley News Service ^ | July 31, 2002 | Joe Cantlupe

Posted on 07/31/2002 7:42:38 PM PDT by Selmo

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To: Mo1
Uh huh. We should have started yesterday. If it weren't for those interfering and overbearing liberals we could have a handle on the problem by now.
21 posted on 08/01/2002 12:14:01 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Orrin Hatch is an idiot

I'm sure he is a nice person but his politics suck
22 posted on 08/01/2002 12:16:21 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: goldstategop
If it weren't for those interfering and overbearing liberals we could have a handle on the problem by now.

Well I don't diagree with you .. but when some folks talk about my way or the high it tends to scare voters which is exactly what the liberals want .. The Votes

23 posted on 08/01/2002 12:19:07 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Right now, INS is going from prison to prison to pick up aliens at the end of their sentences to take them home

Yes, but that might change so that the alien felons can avoid deportation after serving their sentences, according to a guest/caller on the Roger Hedgecock show last Friday, 7/26.

Last week, 7/23/02, the House Judiciary committee held a Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session where they voted for Barney Frank's "Family Reunification Act of 2001", H.R. 1452, which has this in the summary, among other things:

revise the conditions under which the Attorney General may cancel the removal of certain aliens from the United States, including cancellation of removal for humanitarian or public benefit reasons for certain aliens convicted of aggravated felonies.

While Ashcroft might be careful with granting exceptions, a future AG, perhaps under a liberal administration, might let many released felons stay in this country. We have enough home-grown felons; we don't need alien felons to stay here, too, just so they can stay with their families. They should have thought of the deportation risk before committing their crimes.

5 Republicans on the committee voted with Democrats for this bill, including Darryl Issa (North county San Diego, CA) and Committee Chairman Sensenbrenner, saying that having the AG make the decisions is better than having Congress pass private bills to grant exceptions. 15 Republicans voted against HR1452.

24 posted on 08/01/2002 1:13:44 AM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
Remember its the Criminal Aliens Relief Act of 2002. The Barney Frank-Jim Sensenbrenner title is downright PC and its not about keeping families together, as it implies.
25 posted on 08/01/2002 1:21:56 AM PDT by goldstategop
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H. R. 1452
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to permit certain long-term permanent resident aliens to seek cancellation of removal under such Act, and for other purposes.
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26 posted on 08/01/2002 1:22:39 AM PDT by heleny
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To: goldstategop
its not about keeping families together

I agree. It is actually about not deporting convicted felons released from jail. It also waives deportation for some regular aliens and allows deported foreigners to return.

The requirement is for "humanitarian or public benefit," but family unification appears to qualify.

27 posted on 08/01/2002 1:29:48 AM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
You can use family as an excuse to avoid being deported for rape or murder and even petition to come back if you happen to have family in the USA. Our leaders' certainly do feel felons' pain. Clinton must be beaming proud!
28 posted on 08/01/2002 1:32:57 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Sabertooth
Based on the ruling of US District Court Judge Marian Pfaelzer which threw out Proposition 187, we aren't allowed to "discriminate" against Illegals because immigration is a federal matter.

Gray Davis' administration did not try to defend Prop. 187, but constantly tries to make the state attractive to illegal aliens -- low-cost health insurance, welfare, in-state (subsidized) tuition rates for illegals to attend college, etc. The Anaheim police accept Mexican consular ID's now, even though illegal aliens aren't even supposed to be here. The L.A. county ballots (presumably for actual citizens) are available in many languages, but immigrants can sue if the translations have errors.

If immigration were only a federal matter, California should stop providing so many incentives to aliens to avoid undermining federal policy.

29 posted on 08/01/2002 1:44:24 AM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
Exactly. California is not obligated to provide incentives.
30 posted on 08/01/2002 1:46:07 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
use family as an excuse to avoid being deported for rape or murder and even petition to come back if you happen to have family in the USA

Not to mention drug dealers and child molesters, who obviously have low rates of true rehabilitation.

from the article: One of every seven prison beds in California is occupied by a criminal illegal immigrant, officials said.

If 1/7 are illegal aliens, how many are/were legal aliens? Permanent resident aliens who commit felonies are supposed to be deported after serving their jail sentences, too.

Deportation of felons is our chance to prevent further crime by bad people who slipped through the INS sieve. If the INS mistakenly allowed a criminal to be here legally, he should lose that privilege once he commits crime.

HR1452 gives the Attorney General the authority to perpetuate that mistake, given as flimsy a reason a "family". Many aliens have "family" in their home countries, too. If the felon stays here, he many commit more crime and land in jail again. Given the 3-strikes laws, he might even have a sentence enhancement, costing the state more, even though it all might have been prevented by deporting and blocking re-entry.

I think HR1452 will increase incarceration costs in the future. Since Feinstein seems somewhat concerned by illegal immigration, I hope she votes against this bill if it ever reaches the Senate.

31 posted on 08/01/2002 2:00:51 AM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
If the House has brains for gonads, it will kill HR 1452 when it comes to a vote on the floor. There's been no groundswell among the American people for the Criminal Aliens Relief Act.
32 posted on 08/01/2002 2:03:00 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
There's been no groundswell among the American people for the Criminal Aliens Relief Act.

Maybe because the average American doesn't know what this is??

33 posted on 08/01/2002 8:27:09 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: heleny
Go to NUMBERSUSA.com. They send you an e-mail when bills like HR1452 are being introduced/voted on. From there you can send off an e-mail/fax to your represenatives to let them know that you do not want anymore favors for illegals. It's quick, convenient, and easy. Be sure to tell your friends and neighbors.
34 posted on 08/01/2002 12:34:28 PM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: Luis Gonzalez
California literally markets itself to attract illegal aliens.

You guys bring them in, you pay to keep them in jail.

I don't see why the rest of us have to help.

Luis, if you were a Californian in '94 would you have voted for prop 187? You know, the successful measure intended to cut off benefits to illegals, with the exception of educational and emergency medical?

It was a federal judge that threw it out, it is the federal government that refuses to effectively guard the borders, and the federal government that refuses to police the enterior.

Maybe if the rest of the country has to help pay the costs of illegal immigration they'll realize it for the problem that it is.

35 posted on 08/01/2002 12:46:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Prop. 187 cut out all the welfare that California so willingly gives out to people?

I don't like native born leeches anymore than the imported variety.

Ants...

If you don't clean up spilled sugar, no amount of insecticide will stop them from coming into your house.

End the welfare free-for-all and watch the illegals just go away all on their own.
36 posted on 08/01/2002 1:19:09 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: heleny
Quit making sense...:-)
37 posted on 08/01/2002 1:21:43 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: skeeter
Look up to #29.
38 posted on 08/01/2002 1:22:46 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I noticed you didn't answer my question.
39 posted on 08/01/2002 1:28:05 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
"You know, the successful measure intended to cut off benefits to illegals..."

Prop 187 had a problem in its wording if I remember correctly. The benefits should have been rolled back at the State level without voting into place such a flawed proposition. I would have voted for it, but I would have known that it was going to be seriously challenged as discriminatory.

You can't target legislation against a specific group of people, it will always be challenged in Court as discriminatory.

I would furthermore, vote out of office every politico that even dreams about more welfare programs.

California does the exact opposite.

Ants.........

40 posted on 08/01/2002 4:15:37 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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