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To: Mark Bahner
oh yeah, one more thing;

"then you should agree it's "reasonable and pragmatic" for the federal government ..... to completely eliminate federal social spending."

So you're going to tell Mr. Paycheck-to-paycheck, I'm going to eliminate SS and medicare and he'll say "Gee, mom will move in w/ me AND I get to pay her medical bills, what a great idea!".

What amazes me is that you even get 2% of the vote. Must be all those motherless atheists out there.

74 posted on 08/02/2002 6:33:49 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro
The reason that libertarianism is flawed is very simple.

Sample Q&A:

Q: "By what standard should we determine public policy?"

A: "Why, reason of course. If only all people acted reasonably, we would have a perfect society".

Q: "Define reason."

A: "Well, well Ayn Rand says reason is the only standard by which we could judge human life. So, perfect reason. Ayn Rand says that between two reasonable people, disagreements are impossible."

Q:"Well, let's take health care. Most health care costs come from end-of-life care. In other words, keeping old people alive. So, I think, using utilitarian logic, we should simply put old people who are going to die anyway out of their misery. And ours. Perfectly reasonable."

A:"But that's disgusting! That's not reasonable!"

Q:"I think it is. I'm not crazy."

A: "No it's not!"

Q: "Sure it is. It's logical. If we just kill old people, we won't have socialized medicine, because old people account for almost all the costs. And because we're both atheists, to what authority are you going to appeal to show that your point of view is correct? We're both reasonable people, and we're disagreeing."

That may seem a little over-simplified, but it's about true. In an atheistic universe, any point of view can be correct. Kill old people, retarded people, whatever's expedient; they're just material and they're in the way. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Since in an atheistic universe you can't appeal to God's Revealed Word for guidance, I guess there's only one thing left to enforce one arbitrary viewpoint over others:

Brute force.

Philosophy is bankrupt. Which one a society adopts boils down to who has the guns.

78 posted on 08/02/2002 7:18:19 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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