[Mark Bahner]

"I challenge the libertarians to present a practical plan for moving this country in the direction of liberty; short of that they have little to add."

1) Start voting straight ticket Libertarian. Especially start voting for the Libertarian candidate for President. And don't ever stop.

2) Insist that your President and your representatives in Congress follow The Law (the Constitution).

If you think those 2 steps aren't "practical"...you're essentially saying that you can't find the Libertarian candidates on your ballot, and you don't know how to communicate with your President and representatives in Congress.

[gunshy]

and you don't know how to communicate with your President and representatives in Congress.

Please explain to me how I can communicate with Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein?. I really want to know what I can say to these two that will be heard.

[Pietro]

"If you think those 2 steps aren't "practical""

Bingo, and here's why;

In a republic, such as ours, people elect reps. that decide what the "law" is. If the plurality of those people vote for reps that promise them goodies, those reps get to make the laws. That's how it works, sorry to bust your bubble.

In order to stop this self deceiving cycle it is necessary to convince a plurality of citizens that sacrificing their safety net will, in the end, create a better society.

Telling people that if they don't like wonton drug abuse in their town they should leave is not, and I'm being kind, a convincing agruement.

The plain fact is that libertarians have not put a cogent arguement, that is palatable to the general public, together ever. EVER. That's your problem.

Where it becomes my problem is when the 2% of the dreamers that vote libertarian cost a conservative a vauluable seat in government. This enables a liberal to enact even more officious laws.

And that will be the libertarian legacy. Gratefully, the leftist had their own nuts in the last election (the Greens), and the two offset each other in mutual futility.