What you can't, or won't, realize is that libertarianism is completly flawed because no one can agree on a uniform standard for "reason". It's that simple. Your version of reason is different than mine and everyone elses. Thus, whatever we decide to be "reasonable" is completely arbitrary. In fact, any big idea such as "justice", or "fairness" or "liberty" suffers the same flaws. There are no ideals. Someone much smarter than either you or I, Plato, tried to solve this with the Doctrine of Forms. He failed.
Plus, most of the time I don't even know what your arguments are about. For instance, you say that you're a libertarian, then you say that liberty is limited. I say, "hey great, looks like your a conservative" because you've admit that society can regulate liberty; what other reason would society have to curtail liberty other than order? So, then you say--no wait, I'm a conservative.
I really don't want to argue who either doesn't know what I'm talking about or whose comeback is, effectively, "I know you are, but what am I".
So, let's put it this way. You win.
HV