Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: dcwusmc
When you control-freaks can live within the bonds of the Constitution, call me.

The STATE is designed to balance and define authorities among different jurisdictions and the central government is bound to the restrictions of a constitution. Can you show me exactly where in the constitution heroin use, procreating with your sister or sodomy buddies, killing your unborn baby…is a guaranteed right? I have every right to elect a state, county or city legislature that can regulate certain behaviors, and that right is guaranteed to me by the 10th amendment. So if you want to have your porno store next to the high school in my town you better get the rest of your depraved buddies to elect the representatives that will help you out, otherwise move somewhere else.

You Liberaltarian wackos that think the only immorality is that which causes “individual harm” are selfish and irrelevant, matters of “public interest” shall be determined by the legislature, get over it. Spoiled brats that think you can do what ever you want, when ever you want, should go live in your hut in Montana and be a society of one, otherwise be prepared to live with the common sense rules of a community.

181 posted on 07/31/2002 9:58:05 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies ]


To: Clint N. Suhks
Interesting. It's your way or the highway. Your rules or prison. Your definition of "morality" or we have anarchy and/or "libertineism." What monstrous egos you control freaks have, to think that YOU hold all universal truths and enyone who thinks otherwise is a hedonist or a "sodomy buddy" or whatever you feel like demonising today.

Ever hear of the NINTH amendment which states that "...the enumeration of certain rights is not meant to demean other rights held by the people" or words to that identical effect... ?" To some (not all) that means among other things, the right to self-medicate for purposes known only to the self-medicator. You have NO RIGHT to attempt to regulate behaviours, no matter HOW repugnant to you, which are done VOLUNTARILY by all actors therein. By giving gooberment the precedent to assume these powers you open the door for ANYONE to do the same... and now they are going after FAT... fast food joints. We, Constitutionalists and libertarians, have been saying all along that this will be the natural consequence of your control-freakism... get over it, statist lackey!
186 posted on 07/31/2002 10:37:20 AM PDT by dcwusmc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies ]

To: Clint N. Suhks
I have every right to elect a state, county or city legislature that can regulate certain behaviors, and that right is guaranteed to me by the 10th amendment.


Indeed it is.
- The 14th however, says that states MUST follow & honor the constitution/BOR's in such 'regulations'.
I suggest you read it, and the history behind its ratification. One of the 14th's primary goals was to defend 2nd amendment. rights.
- You never really answered me on that point. Do you believe that states can 'regulate' arms to the point of prohibiting socalled 'assault weapons', as does California?
192 posted on 07/31/2002 11:18:50 AM PDT by tpaine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies ]

To: Clint N. Suhks
The STATE is designed to balance and define authorities among different jurisdictions and the central government is bound to the restrictions of a constitution. Can you show me exactly where in the constitution heroin use, procreating with your sister or sodomy buddies, killing your unborn baby…is a guaranteed right?

Your 'legal rights' are PARTIALLY ELUDED TO by the US and state constitutions -- your 'natural rights' are the same as every human on the planet. They are innumerable but can be condensed to the following:

Man has the right to conduct himself as he will as long as he is not inflicting physical harm on another. In cases of fraud, slander or 'endangerment' society has put in place civil courts that allow a jury of his peers to determine proper compensation for such actions.

Civil complaints, accusations and suits may not be issued by agents of the state, but by the aggrieved party only.

Your 'right' to procreate, raise your child, or eat tuna fish is not 'guaranteed' by ANY constitution I know of EITHER -- but those are still your rights.

Your confusion on the word 'rights' is like other peoples inability to discern 'unlawful' from 'criminal' -- study the following until you GET IT:

Citizen: How do I know if I have committed a crime?

Statist: Because a court, a jury of your peers has decided you have broken the law.

Citizen: Why do we have laws?

Statist: To prevent crime.

As you can see, there is something logically wrong with the above -- it obfuscates the word crime. If the above were TRUE we could reduce crime by repealing laws. The above is a circular definition and senseless...

The REAL definition of crime is physical harm to another -- assault, property damage or theft. Period.

'Unlawful' means breaking one of the infinite laws we have put in place to PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY of crime or civil injury (fraud, slander or 'endangerment'). The only valid mechanism for deterring crime is punishment after the crime has been committed, and the only valid mechanism for deterring civil injury is settlements ordered after a court determines damages are due.

See? Nice clean bright lines on what is the proper function of law, and what is not.

Deviation from those lines leads us to the boundless world of infinite regulation we live in. it puts us to sea without a compass, without a landmark, lost in a world of confusion over 'what is justified' or 'what is sufficient endangerment'.

The flesh of tyranny.

208 posted on 07/31/2002 1:55:25 PM PDT by mindprism.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson