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To: JMJ333
The majority of libertarians on this forum and elsewhere are moral liberals.

Moral liberals seek to encourage immoral and unwise behaviors and protect individuals from the natural consequences of their own immoral behavior. Conservatives often fail to oppose such protections, but instead seek to enforce artificial consequences for certain types of immoral behavior. What libertarians want is for people who engage in immoral or unwise behaviors to suffer the natural consequences of their own actions.

A kid who is told not to touch the hot stove, and is punished every time his mother sees him try it is unlikely to learn not to touch the hot stove. Instead he'll learn not to touch the hot stove when Mother is around. What will teach the kid not to touch the hot stove, period, is trying to do so. It's not Mother that makes the kid's hand hurt when he touches the stove. Rather, the pain is a direct and natural consequence of the action.

Conservatives and libertarians both believe that people should act morally. The disagreement is generally focused on how to attain that end.

138 posted on 07/31/2002 12:40:55 AM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
You've obviously NEVER raised a child ! LOL
140 posted on 07/31/2002 12:43:45 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: supercat
Moral liberals seek to encourage immoral and unwise behaviors and protect individuals from the natural consequences of their own immoral behavior. Conservatives often fail to oppose such protections, but instead seek to enforce artificial consequences for certain types of immoral behavior. What libertarians want is for people who engage in immoral or unwise behaviors to suffer the natural consequences of their own actions.

Bingo.

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142 posted on 07/31/2002 1:21:28 AM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: supercat; Kevin Curry
What libertarians want is for people who engage in immoral or unwise behaviors to suffer the natural consequences of their own actions.

People always suffer the natural consequences of their own actions. That is not the same as shrugging and allowing the drunk driver to just die by the side of the road. "He got himself there, now he will just have to learn to lump it!" No. We rush him to a hospital for care and to heal the broken bones, and then we throw him in jail! This is because we are a Christian culture; we as a society see worth and value in each and every human being. Even before the moment he slammed into the tree, we had done a lot to discourage his unneeded suffering, too. We chose to regulate the sale of the alcohol he had consumed. We discouraged public intoxication through various laws. We made sure he was a licensed, insured driver, and was fully informed that driving while under the influence was wrong and actionable. As he now sits in jail, he is suffering even more consequences to his actions. I can't imagine anything more asinine than mandating the ignoring of a man with a broken femur, but then I am not an ideologue.

148 posted on 07/31/2002 7:21:16 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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