Study: Women, Men Equally Violent With Partners-When Only Partner Is Violent, It's Usually The Woman

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[alpowolf]

I guess you haven't heard of the following: Samantha Runnion, Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam, there were 2 more little girls, one escaped, the sexual abuse scandal of the Catholic Church.

I think we have to differentiate between these cases, and cases of domestic abuse which is what the study addresses. I certainly believe (of course maybe I'm falling prey to bias here!) that in cases of violence committed by somebody outside of the family, or completely stranger-on-stranger violence, that it's much more likely to be a man. But that isn't what the study discusses.

[Violette]

First of all, I supported that woman's death sentence.

Secondly, i think we have to look at the context of the violence in domestic relationships. It is an issue of power and control.

These women that are in abusive relationships are in fear for their lives. By the time he has been able to show this part of himself, he has control over much of her life.

In the case that was presented where the woman ambushed her husband, there was a motive behind the crime. I'm not saying that she was right or wrong, but there was a clearly defined motive. She attacked him because she feared losing her children.

This is different from going off half cocked and showing violence for no apparent reason. That is how abusive relationships work. He will one day be sweet as pie, and then the next pull out a bat and beat the hell out of her. It makes no sense at all.

[SauronOfMordor]

A bigger issue is that women commit most of the domestic violence against children. I guess you haven't heard of the following: Samantha Runnion, Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam, there were 2 more little girls, one escaped, the sexual abuse scandal of the Catholic Church. Where the heck are you getting your information?

Read what I said: "domestic violence", ie violence by one member of the family or household against another. Your examples are of stranger kidnap/murders/rapes

I'm talking about cases where mothers beat or murder their own children. It shouldn't be too surprising: the mom is the one who spends the most time with the kids, and thus let them get on her nerves

[alpowolf]

But when I go out at night and take precautions, I'm not protecting myself from being attacked from a woman. I'm concerned about being ambushed by a man. When I lock my door at night, I'm not protecting myself from the attack from a woman, but from being attacked from a man. When I see a strange woman approach me, I don't run. When a strange man approaches me, all of my defense mechanisms rise and I start preparing myself to flee if necessary.

That's fair and prudent (although with female gangs on the rise perhaps one must be more cautious of women in some parts of big cities). But still not what the study addresses.

I'm careful about who I date, too, even though I am a 6'4" 250 lb man. For instance, near the town I grew up in a woman killed three husbands by slipping tiny amounts of a toxic substance in their coffee, killing them over a period of years. Not as spectacular as a baseball bat to the head but violent all the same. So I gotta be careful too.

[Violette]

THis is a good post.

[Senator Pardek]

In the case that was presented where the woman ambushed her husband, there was a motive behind the crime. I'm not saying that she was right or wrong... - LOL!

Let's assume a man has a reasonable fear that his wife will kidnap his kids as they walk home from school. Can you discern whether it's "right or wrong" if the man ambushes her and breaks her jaw? Oh - my aching sides!!!

[Conagher]

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[Violette]

I certainly believe that in cases of violence committed by somebody outside of the family, or completely stranger-on-stranger violence, that it's much more likely to be a man.

In the case where a man is abusive towards his spouse, he will most likely be abusive towards the children as well. He's not selective, but she will be his target first; and in a lot of cases to protect the children, she might keep herself as the first target.

I agree that women can be very abusive towards children, but I'm not sure that the scale is tipped towards women in this case. A man will take a bat to a child much faster than a woman. In cases where a child is abused to death, it is usually the male that does it; even if the woman is present, the male does the killing.

[Godel]

This is hardly a suprise, if a man is violent and abusive, the woman gets tons of sympathy and aid, and the man is branded as an abuser and held in contempt. By contrast, when a woman is violent and abusive towards a man, the man is considered to be a wimp or a weakling and blowing things out of proportion.

In short, men have every incentive not to be violent, women have little or no incentive to rein in their tempers. A man who slaps a woman in public is a brute, a woman who slaps a man is usually considered to be righteously indignant.

[Conagher]

"A man will take a bat to a child much faster than a woman."

Proof?

[another cricket]

I'm not saying that she was right or wrong, but there was a clearly defined motive. She attacked him because she feared losing her children.

And if he had shot her because he feared losing his children (a very probable outcome with today’s courts) would you be saying, "I'm not saying that he was right or wrong, but..."

Women beat and murder kids and they get off. There was a case a few years back; the little boy's stepmother abused him horribly. She got off with a few month sentences. The boy's father on the other hand got several years even though he never nor was it even alleged that he had ever laid a harmful hand on his son.

Please look up the average length of time a woman spends in jail for child abuse or murder and then look at the length of time a man spends. And in many cases his parental rights are terminated. She quite often gets full custody of any remaining children once she is out.

a.cricket

[Violette]

Men are more aggressive then women. There are more male leaders in this world than women, because men are more aggressive. Men drive the reproduction of the species; women prevent the world from over population by putting on the breaks. Men are far more interested in sports than women, men are physically competetive.

women tend to be more passive-aggressive and that causes men to lash outM

Lashing out with words is one thing; lashing out with physical aggression, that's another. There is no justification for using physical aggression with anyone unless in self-defense.

Women most likely come across to jurors as some sort of innocent victim or the like

Juries aren't as sympathetic as you seem to imply. They didn't feel sorry for Andrea Yates.

[another cricket]

In cases where a child is abused to death, it is usually the male that does it; even if the woman is present, the male does the killing.

Not true in the case of biological parents. A biological mother is more likely to kill her kids then a biological father. Stepparents are another story.

a.cricket

[Senator Pardek]

And if he had shot her because he feared losing his children (a very probable outcome with today’s courts) would you be saying, "I'm not saying that he was right or wrong, but..."

AC - you're wasting your time - she won't answer, because that female happens to be bright enough to realize that she engages in double standards.

[FITZ]

The survey questioned 1,446 students from: the Universidad Autonoma de Ciudad in Juarez, Mexico; University of Texas at El Paso; Texas Tech; and UNH.

Not exactly a cross-section of America.

[Violette]

"beat or murder". Women will kill their children, we've seen evidence of this. Isn't it interesting though that they drown them when they do. Why is this? Why not take a bat to their head?

When children are killed by their father, how does it usually happen? What do we usually read in the papers? That the child was beaten to death, burned, shot or stabbed.

Your examples are of stranger kidnap/murders/rapes Why do you think that men are most likely going to be violent only to strangers? It's much easier to be abusive towards your own kin than someone elses. A person has more control when abusing their own family.

[Violette]

I never said that women don't commit murder.

[Violette]

Can you discern whether it's "right or wrong" if the man ambushes her and breaks her jaw?

The context will be different. If she was a housewife, she lacks the same financial resources that he would have to win her battle. Remember, when a woman chooses to stay home and not work, she is becoming totally dependent on her husband and that is a very vulnerable position to be in. I doubt that you have ever experienced that; I don't believe I would ever let myself be there. We don't know all the circumstances in that case

More than likely the man has financial resources that makes it possible for him to fight without being violent within THIS CONTEXT.

[Violette]

This was already posted and I addressed it.

[Maccabee-AJB]

Gee...why am I not surprised? So much for "equality before the law".