Study: Women, Men Equally Violent With Partners-When Only Partner Is Violent, It's Usually The Woman

"As long as we're engaging in stereotypes of men on this board, we might as well throw in the old stereotype of women poisoning their husbands. One wonders how many men expire from such treatment that never get reported.

Ahhh...so now we are getting to the heart of it. There is a rash of deviantly homicidal women who are secretly poisoning their otherwise sweet little husbands. It never gets reported, no one ever follows through, relatives, friends, acquaintances in the truckload are just accepting that poor ole Peter just bought the farm in a slow arsenic kind of way rather than being stabbed 42 times in the heart or deep slices clear through to the spinal cord (re: O.J. case); yes, men just are less devious than women.

I can't for the life of me understand why there are women's shelters needed in just about every city in the US when all these men are being murdered, murdered I tell you at such an alarming rate.

Please, let us take a moment and pray. Pray for all the men, all the violence inflicted upon them. Let us build shelters, let us ban poison, let us remember the poor, downtrodden, gasping-for-their-last-breath men who are the real victims.

Yes. Let us pray.

"I can't for the life of me understand why there are women's shelters needed in just about every city in the US when all these men are being murdered, murdered I tell you at such an alarming rate."

I'm not surprised. It's a thing called "politics."

"Legislation about domestic violence is always orientated toward the female victim. For instance, in 1991, Senator Joseph Biden again introduced the "Violence Against Women Act" which at this writing has passed the senate Judiciary Committee. It has a section called "Safe homes for Women" which specifically allocates funds to "women's" shelters (Biden 1991, also see Boxer 1990).

"Also note actions like that of Ohio governor Richard F. Celeste who granted clemency to 25 women who were in prison for murdering their husbands. The reason he gave for this was the "Battered Woman Syndrome" which, obviously, no man can claim as his defense (Wilkerson 1990). There is very little concern shown either for the idea of making spousal abuse a capital crime with the victim as extra-judicial executioner, nor for the idea that perhaps some of the men who murder their spouses might be suffering from an analogous "Battered Man Syndrome.""

http://www.vix.com/men/battery/commentary/dgross-hbat.html

"Despite all the evidence about female-on-male violence, many groups actively try to suppress coverage of the issue. Steinmetz received verbal threats and anonymous phone calls from radical women's groups threatening to harm her children after she published "The Battered Husband Syndrome" in 1978. She says she finds it ironic that the same people who claim that women-initiated violence is purely self defense are so quick to threaten violence against people who do nothing more than publish a scientific study.

Steinmetz's story is not unique. Ten years after that study, R.L. McNeely, a professor at the School of Social Welfare at the University of Wisconsin, and Gloria Robinson-Simpson published "The Truth About Domestic Violence: A Falsely Framed Issue." The article examined various studies on domestic violence and concluded that society must recognize that men are victims "or we will be addressing only part of the phenomenon."

Shortly thereafter, McNeely received letters from a Pennsylvania women's organization threatening to use its influence in Washington to pull his research funding. Robinson-Simpson, who uncovered some of the most important data, largely was left alone. According to McNeely, "she, a young, assistant professor, was assumed to have been `duped' by the senior male professor." "

http://www.vix.com/men/battery/damnabledenial.html

"Please, let us take a moment and pray. Pray for all the men, all the violence inflicted upon them. Let us build shelters, let us ban poison, let us remember the poor, downtrodden, gasping-for-their-last-breath men who are the real victims.

"Yes. Let us pray."

Thank you for your sarcasm.

"Thank you for your sarcasm.

You're welcome. There is not a disagreement that there are men who are abused. It is disingenuous however to point to false statistics that skew the debate. When one resorts to false claims, then one must accept that the debater is intellectually dishonest.

A little more honesty in recognizing the fact that women are abused in greater numbers all across this great green globe of ours and you will make more headway in your argument.

That said, I feel sorry for the battered husbands/boyfriends and think that establishing more male-oriented shelters to protect men from these manical women would be a cause you should endeavor. I wholeheartedly support you in this effort.

"There is not a disagreement that there are men who are abused."

No, the disagreement in many minds here is whether or not to take this seriously.

"It is disingenuous however to point to false statistics that skew the debate."

Care to point out which of my stats are false?

"Care to point out which of my stats are false?'

Uh...pretty clear that the stats you posted completely misrepresent the official DOJ statistics. The numbers aren't even close. Do you still believe the stats you picked up from the Patriarchs R Us web ring?

Uh . . . the official DOJ stats are not holy writ. A social science statistics class will teach you that. I believe I pointed that out with another post. Do you place such faith in the same bungling Justice Department whose failures are well-documented?

Mine>>However, to imply that the person receiving the aggresive behavior has done something to bring it on is faulty.<<

Yours >>Not true. Not always.

I have seen women verbally abuse their kids in ways that were effectively ruining them for life. I'VE WITNESSED IT! There was clearly more PERMANENT harm done than could be done by a man that over the years broke bones in the child with beatings.

Why do you think physical harm is the worst thing that can happen?

Now my response>>>Whoa! You misunderstood what I was getting at. It seemed that the point being made, and to which I was responding was that the receiver of the abuse had deserved it! That the victim had done something to deserve what they had received.

I have lived in a world of verbal abuse, emotional and psychological abuse....that was worse than the physical abuse that was starting. But the physical abuse, when he began it upon my children was the pivotal point for me....that coupled with the emotional abuse that had pushed me to being suicidal. Had the Lord not placed a person in my path at the right time, I would not be here.

I understand your position and I can imagine it was hard. I can relate more than I am allowed to share here, as much as I'd like to.

I would like to say more but I'll just leave it at this. This stuff needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. And for abuse claims to be taken seriously, there must be at least two witnesses (sometimes the bruises qualify, but not always). There are plenty of men and women that are abused, both physically and psychologically/verbally. But there are also LOTS of women who are simply playing this card (virtually no men do it) to control and destroy the lives of men.

Both suck and really need to be stopped.

But you are still single, right? And as long as you feel the way you do, you will be. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery.

Dude, you seem to believe that being single is something that has to be corrected...? I wasn't aware that this fell into the list of disorders such as Alcoholism, Drug Addiction, Cleptomania, etc. You know, self destructive behavior....Since when was "singlehood" self-destructive?

I don't get your point in this post.

One wonders how many men expire from such treatment that never get reported

Death by poison is easily discovered via an autopsy. There is always a cause of death on a person's death certificate, so how is it that never gets reported?

You are naive.

Some cases of poisoning haven't been detected until years afterwards. Many poisons mimic common maladies. No, there is not always a cause of death on a death certificate. Unless I'm mistaken, coroners may list the cause as unknown. Coroners, being human, make mistakes, as well.