US prisoners claim Roosevelt left them in Philippines deliberately

scotsman.com ^ | Tue 30 Jul 2002 | David Cox

[capitan_refugio]

U.S. citizens did not need passports to get back to the United States from the Philippines. The Philippines came under U.S. Adminstration as a result of the Spanish-American War (1898-1901). Some Philippines tried to establish an independent republic in 1898 under Aguinaldo. The U.S. led Phillipines Commission was empowered to prepare the Commonwealth for full independence. Prior to WWII, the date was never firmly established, but was likely to be in the mid- to late-1940s.

In the 1930s and 1940s an important issue was being worked out. The question was, were the Phillipinos born under the U.S. administration of the islands entitled to citizenship? (It should be noted that many Philipinos served in the US military, often in menial jobs.)

As best as I can tell, the "Commonwealth of the Philippines" issued their own passports from at least the 1930's. Hence the issue of passports in the post many have referred to Philippinos trying to obtain US passports, rather than US citizens being denied.

[cva66snipe]

FDR was the closest this nation has came to having a king and I don't mean that in a good way. The New Deal Projects like the so called farce programs like TVA saved the Tennessee Valley from soil erosion is one of them. TVA is ran by a government agency and is still out of control. Eminent Domain is the name Land Grabs and deals to the rich is their game. They were somewhat slowed down by a tiny snail darter though. Yea old FDR is still the man for those who still can't see the damage he did and the precedents he set as well.

Not unlike today FDR as POTUS let our military deteriorate almost to a point of no return. He was to busy doing social engineering to be bothered with it. Anybody remember CCC camps? Building parks and such instead of defenses? That was FDR. Yep FDR & CCC was gonna save the nation. Yet he could have done the same thing by opening defense plants getting us ready for what was coming. Not till the first bombs were dropped on us did the light bulb go off and the idea the primary function of government is national defense cross his mind.

FDR was a DUNCE at best a Socialist Lite is more of a better description. No actually he was from one of the nations wealthiest families which I guess some how in the eyes of some made his judgments somehow right. I found this in his bio at the White house.gov web site. Yep he stood for not so conservative values and everything todays party controlling Moderates & Liberals could ever ask for in Big Government.

By 1935 the Nation had achieved some measure of recovery, but businessmen and bankers were turning more and more against Roosevelt's New Deal program. They feared his experiments, were appalled because he had taken the Nation off the gold standard and allowed deficits in the budget, and disliked the concessions to labor. Roosevelt responded with a new program of reform: Social Security, heavier taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and an enormous work relief program for the unemployed.

It seems their fears were justified. Yet our elected still hasn't learned. It's OK it seems as long as it's your parties idea. FDR dern well by his social programs first mentality nearly cost us our nation. Better to be armed and ready to fight than be struck and go try and find or build a weapon afterward.

BTW if we had put sufficient military presence in the PI's, in the South Pacific, and in the Mediterain Basin rather than parking our few functional defense assets as an easy target to hit then I don't think Japan, Germany or anyone else would have given it a try. They grew strong simply because we grew weak. That is the same mistake taking place now and history it seems is to be repeated.

[satchmodog9]

Good one.

[bonesmccoy]

You're correct. You also got screwed by a liberal leftist President who started a war in Asia to prop up his lagging Presidency.

[Light Speed]

Your assessment makes sense.
U.S. citizens and others had been bailing out all over the region.
After Japans rampage thru Northern China and other operations post 1935 notifications were sent out to U.S. Consulates with directives to assist the extracation of U.S. Citizens.
Large numbers of Chinese with wealth showed up in the Phillipines and other locals...word spread of what terror Japan was capable of.
So many people were on the move...only to wind up captured by the Japanese in distant places.
Whats tragic..is the profit made by those who exploit such situations of chaos...here..there is more to the story.

[JZoback]

I thought this story was pretty well know for a while. I remember seeing a TLC, Discover or History documentary on this very allegation a few months ago.

[Almondjoy]

Exactly.. what I find interesting in is the people that get in an uproar against this(some most likely just because he was a Democrat) and yet proclaim that we need to fight terrorists at all costs.. what if.. and this is of course a BIG what if.. we allowed 9/11 to happen.. can you imagine a congress and the American people going through their merry lives trying to back a war against Iraq and Al-Qaeda? Very unlikely.. but we all know now that this war is just.. if not now the next time it will be a dirty bomb.. or worse a nuke. 60 years from now we may find out 9/11 was allowed.. but because our selfish moronic people in this society can't look beyond their next paycheck it takes a diaster to ensure our survival.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

You made your point very clear and correctly. Your analogy is great.

[onedoug]

Yeah? Well check out #17 on this thread, and see how I really feel.

[bonesmccoy]

Your patriotism and your defense of freedom is not in question. The motives of whacked out democrats are.

[RobbyS]

I have read in many places that the Navy said that the Phillipines could not be held. One has only to look at the map to see why.

[rockfish59]

Lying
Blow
Job

[bonesmccoy]

Fricking

Demon

Rat!

[capitan_refugio]

Your additional information provides more insight. Sounds a little bit like the Manila version of "Casablanca"!

[Blake#1]

Roosevelt was from a rich and famous American family, however, he was not admired or even liked by the American rich, even before he became a politician. Upon entering Harvard his personal choice fraternity to join blackballed him. IE: His class mates didn't want him in their club. He never got over this slight. This could be what made him a Democrat, to get even with these sons of the rich that didn't like him. Someday we will get the story why they didn't like him.

[onedoug]

And perhaps the greatest shame in American history is this country's abandonment of Vietnam, i.e., "Peace With Honor" that was finally carried out by a Republican administration.

Though I also feel it important to point out that by no means have I ever felt, nor will I ever feel that I was someshow "screwed" in that process. It was a great honor to have served in Vietnam with so many noble men and women. That, in itself, is and will always be reward and reparation enough.