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To: Alan Chapman
If they don't believe your "truth" then what?

If they don't believe, they don't. That's it. It's not the government's place to preach salvation. I am unsure why you think I believe differently. Why should I want to use the coercive power of the state to force conversions? Of what possible use could that be? My only point is that the state should not recognize homosexual marriage, because it is a contradiction in terms.

Rights are given by God. Period. Rights are not given by the state. They are secured by the state. In a theistic society, this fact is not instilled (it exists already), but rather simply recognized.

I repeat, a secularist has no basis whatsoever for the rights of man. The secular state believes that rights come from government because they cannot come from God, as the secularist does not believe in God. They have only power and no eternal accountability. Secular societies will always end in tyranny.

237 posted on 07/31/2002 4:32:50 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
It's not the government's place to preach salvation. I am unsure why you think I believe differently.

Because you said, "...Government is indeed God's creation. The Scriptures are very clear."

For the sake of argument let's suppose government is indeed God's creation. Did you have a point to make?

While we're on the subject of government and God, exactly which god is government a creation of? Is government a creation of Osiris? How about Ishtar? Maybe it's Isis.

Government is a creation of my god! No, it's a creation of mine! No, mine!

Do you see the problem here?

My only point is that the state should not recognize homosexual marriage, because it is a contradiction in terms.

The state ought not be involved in marriage whatsoever just as it should not tell you how to raise your family or what religion to practice.

Rights are given by God.

Where did God list our rights?

Rights are not given by the state.

We're in agreement there.

...a secularist has no basis whatsoever for the rights of man.

Do atheists have rights? Or, do rights belong only to theists?

The secular state believes that rights come from government because they cannot come from God, as the secularist does not believe in God.

When you say "secular state" are you referring to a state which enforces secularism? Or, are you referring to a state which abstains from forcing participation in religion?

Secular societies will always end in tyranny.

Why?

No theocracy has ever facilitated freedom and prosperity. Why not? What's the common denominator?

238 posted on 07/31/2002 10:37:02 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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