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Part I: The Homosexual Agenda: Why Are Most Conservatives So Lily-Livered And Weak?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 30 , 2002 | E. S. Lee

Posted on 07/30/2002 9:09:34 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

Due Process Is Dead in Massachusetts.

“It being the public policy of this Commonwealth to protect the unique relationship of marriage in order to promote, among other goals, the stability and welfare of society and the best interests of children, only the union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Massachusetts. Any other relationship shall not be recognized as a marriage or its legal equivalent, nor shall it receive the benefits or incidents exclusive to marriage from the Commonwealth, its agencies, departments, authorities, commissions, offices, officials and political subdivisions. Nothing herein shall be construed to effect an impairment of a contract in existence as of the effective date of this amendment.”

For the last week, I have been reeling with images from the July 17th travesty in the Massachusetts state house, when a special constitutional convention met for the third time in as many months to consider a proposed amendment that would define marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

Senate president Tom Birmingham (who is running a dwindling campaign for governor of this state) had said earlier in the week and again that morning that he was going to do “everything in my power to stop this mean-spirited and hateful issue from coming to a vote.” This time, he got someone else to do his dirty work: Brian P. Lees (R-Springfield), the senate minority leader, moved to adjourn the meeting before the amendment could be addressed. 137 members voted to adjourn; 53 voted not to adjourn. Fifty votes were required to carry the issue of the Amendment to the ballot—which obviously could have carried easily, leaving the question of what a marriage is—or is not—up to the voters of this state in 2004.

More than 130,000 voters signed the Protection of Marriage Amendment petition in the fall of 2001. 76,607 of those signatures were certified. 57,100 certified signatures were required in order for the petition to come before the constitutional convention. According to the Massachusetts Family Institute, 83% of Massachusetts voters polled agree that marriage is important to the family, and 60% support defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

On July 17th, I went to the state house to be present for (I presumed) an historic vote. Before I went into the State House, I stood for about a half hour with about sixty staff and volunteers for the Massachusetts Citizens for Marriage for a nearly silent rally. Some of us stood and chatted and others held up signs that said, “Let the People Vote for Marriage in 2004.” And most of us watched somewhat warily as homosexuals and lesbians harassed members of our group. At around 1:15, I went into the State House.

I couldn´t get near the gallery. The doors were closed until about 1:50, but there must have been 750 people in the house chamber area ahead of me, perhaps 250 pro-homosexual rights supporters to the rest of us who favor traditional values. The senators entered the chamber at 2:00 pm. At 2:17, they strolled out with smug smirks on their faces. Opponents of the amendment erupted into cheers, and the rest of us into boos and hisses. Almost immediately, there was a frenzy of sympathetic media interviews with lesbian members of the Massachusetts congress, and their supporters—and then the taunting and jeering began. The Marriage Amendment, for all intents and purposes, was dead. And we all knew it.

The only pro-marriage supporter I know of who made it onto the news that night was a black woman who took issue with a sign that pronounced, “We want OUR civil rights!” When she challenged that statement and was verbally assaulted, she lost her temper and was ushered out of the building by armed guards. The whole episode was filmed; what made it onto the news that evening was the woman being taken out, loud with rage, her little boys in tow. Some of us were standing outside the capitol afterward, pondering the whole mess as we waited for busses to take us back to the places where we had gathered for this momentous day. A homosexual came along and began reviling us. We were silent in response. He then sighted the black woman and got very in-your-face with her, his nose possibly a foot away from hers. He spoke in low, seething tones. We could not hear him, but her demeanor made it pretty obvious that he was being extremely unpleasant to her. The busses came along and the woman and her children crossed Beacon Street—and he walked beside her, puffing smoke into her face and muttering at her the entire time. None of us (including I, shamefully) did anything to try to stop him.

My own involvement with the Protection of Marriage Amendment began when I signed the petition at my local grocery store last fall. I asked for copies and carried them around with me to collect more signatures, rather surprised at how many people were willing to sign it. Very few I asked did not.

After the first constitutional convention met on May 8th of this year to discuss the Amendment, as required by the Massachusetts Constitution, and then closed without a vote, a friend who works for Massachusetts Citizens for Marriage called and asked if I would contact the voters in my town who had signed the petition, and ask them to contact our state senator and representative in support of the Amendment. I said yes, and began calling a few days later. Again, I was amazed at the responses: about a third of those I spoke to, while they had signed the petition, were reluctant to call Ms Walrath or Mr. Antonioni. They expressed concerns about voicing their opinions on such a “controversial” matter to their elected officials. The other two-thirds assured me that they would.

On June 19th, the date of the next special constitutional convention to consider the Marriage Amendment, I took a few hours of personal time from work and met my friend at the State House for the vote. When I arrived at the Boston Common, the meeting place for volunteers from the Mass Citizens for Marriage, I was surprised that there weren´t more people there, including, apparently, members of the opposition. I was told that my friend was already inside, so I hurried through the security area into the State House and went to the House gallery where she and her two little sons, aged two and five, were waiting. I sat down next to them.

It was about 1:15. The meeting was scheduled to begin at 2:00.

Although there was one kind guard in the gallery, as we waited for the vote, some of the other guards became verbally abusive. One woman guard in particular was unkind to an MCM staff member seated in front of me. The guard poked her shoulder to get attention, and poked it so hard that the woman winced and rubbed it as she turned to her. The guard spoke provokingly to her, threatening to remove her if she distributed any badges, and then said that she must remove the bag of badges or be ejected from the gallery. After a moment of discussion, a male guard joined them, the staff member said she would not distribute anything (she had not done so to that point) and the guards withdrew. [Most of us in the gallery were already wearing the badges, which said only, “Massachusetts Citizens for Marriage.”]

My friend seemed uncharacteristically quiet and when I asked why, told me of an incident that had just happened to a friend of hers as she was walking into the state house. A group of homosexuals and lesbians approached and began threatening her and the others with her, tormenting them with anti-religious slurs. The attempts met with no response. One of the activists then centered on her and tried more aggressively to get her to respond, verbally abusing her until she was in tears. When she said nothing, the activist spat, “I hope your children choke and die in front of you!”

And we´re called “mean-spirited and hateful?”

At the rally last Wednesday, homosexual and lesbian members of their media (mostly unidentified members, unless we asked them) milled among us asking questions and photographing us. While I was speaking with the brave man who exposed the Fistgate scandal some time back, a photographer from the Bay Windows ("New England's Largest Gay and Lesbian Newspaper") recognized him and began snapping photos of him and then of me, standing only about three or four feet away and zooming in with her lens. She took one after another, until he asked her to stop and said he really thought two was more than enough. She went on to someone else.

Before I entered the capitol building a few minutes later, I was approached by a young man and woman who identified themselves as members of the Homosexual Communist Media. He thrust a microphone into my face and asked why I was there. I did not speak well or smoothly to them, but I did speak: I told them I was there in support of the marriage Amendment. He asked why I supported it, and I told him, and also mentioned that more than 80% of voters polled in Massachusetts felt that [heterosexual] marriage was important to the family structure, and that 60% favored defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

The young man cut me off instantly, “Oh! So you´re in favor of mob rule!”

I frowned and said quietly, “That´s not mob rule—”

“Well, then, call it educated mob rule!”

I frowned again, waved him away and said, “I have nothing left to say to you.”

Before I left him, he insisted that I take a flier for the Homosexual Communist Media. I gave him one of ours, which he refused, but instead of throwing his away, I decided to read it. I´m glad I did. It began:

“The Homosexual Communist Media is an art collective based in Amsterdam. We have just founded a Boston faction, to begin subverting American morality and social culture...” (The italics are mine.)

Had I thought a little quicker, I would have said to him,

“You´re too late. It´s happened already.”



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
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To: EdReform
Homosexuality is a hate crime against creation

How would you suggest we punish this crime?

Specifically?

21 posted on 07/30/2002 11:25:45 AM PDT by OWK
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To: 1_Of_We
That would depend on which state we are considering.

Why?

22 posted on 07/30/2002 11:26:22 AM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
And from WHERE do we derive our rights?

A creator, maybe?

As long as we are allowed to govern ourselves, we have the RIGHT to set our own laws. I would set my laws based on my BELIEFS. Exactly where do you get your core beliefs?

23 posted on 07/30/2002 11:27:22 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: OWK
Because some states (read governments) exercise their 'moral authority' better than others.
24 posted on 07/30/2002 11:30:44 AM PDT by 1_Of_We
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To: OWK
What shall you say is the SOURCE of 'moral authority'?

Objective Reality. Your answer.

Thanks, now I know why to ignore you.

25 posted on 07/30/2002 11:31:21 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: Bryan24
A creator, maybe?

Are your rights any less because they come from your creator?

I wouldn't think so.

Do you think God wants government to make people love him with guns?

26 posted on 07/30/2002 11:33:02 AM PDT by OWK
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To: 1_Of_We
Because some states (read governments) exercise their 'moral authority' better than others.

You seem to be confused about the nature of moral authority.

28 posted on 07/30/2002 11:34:46 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Stand Watch Listen
AIDS; THE Solution.....PATIENCE:THE Method
29 posted on 07/30/2002 11:38:37 AM PDT by BARGE
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To: EdReform
Why Are Most Conservatives So Lily-Livered And Weak?

Because if we stood up for ourselves we would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some.
30 posted on 07/30/2002 11:45:31 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: Bryan24
Makes them up as it goes along.
31 posted on 07/30/2002 11:47:13 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: BARGE
AIDS; THE Solution.....PATIENCE:THE Method

I'm sure that's just what Jesus would have said.

No wait... He said love thy neighbor as thyself.

Maybe he had a different set of secret "hope for the death of homos" teachings, which he only revealed to you.

32 posted on 07/30/2002 11:51:13 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Khepera
Because if we stood up for ourselves we would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some.

What would you do to the homosexuals, if you wouldn't be subject to prosecution?

If you're not too "Lily-Livered And Weak" to answer?

33 posted on 07/30/2002 11:52:37 AM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
First of all I am responding to the following scenario from the article.

(My friend seemed uncharacteristically quiet and when I asked why, told me of an incident that had just happened to a friend of hers as she was walking into the state house. A group of homosexuals and lesbians approached and began threatening her and the others with her, tormenting them with anti-religious slurs. The attempts met with no response. One of the activists then centered on her and tried more aggressively to get her to respond, verbally abusing her until she was in tears. When she said nothing, the activist spat, “I hope your children choke and die in front of you!”)

What I would like to see happen in the above situation is for someone to kick that guys ass 6 ways from sunday for being so disgustingly rude. That is justice in a case like that. There is no law I'm aware of that could be used to counter such an attack and an ass whoopin' is what's called for.

In a free country you are allowed for self defense and I believe this would be self defense. I know you will disagree but that's how I see it.
34 posted on 07/30/2002 12:02:54 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: 1_Of_We
The state (morally) has LEGAL authority.

Do you believe that what is legal is also moral?

35 posted on 07/30/2002 12:03:17 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: OWK
Hold it. If two people of the same gender are allowed to marry in the eyes of the law, where do we draw the line? Where do we say one can, but the other cannot?

If we allow same-sex marriage, should we also allow a brother and sister to be married? How about a mother and son? Father and daughter? A woman and a horse? Where does it end?

I will tell you where it ends: Marriage is a union sanctioned by God. It consists of one man and one woman (who are not related). That is the way it is, that is the way it should be.

God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

36 posted on 07/30/2002 12:04:15 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Stand Watch Listen
If you're against homosexual marriages, you are mean spirited and if you are not exactly a booster for gays and lesbians you're really mean spirited and evil to boot. Same sex unions have been with us from time immemorial but never truly accepted until this in-your-face generation of perverts and politically correct nuts overwhelmed this nation. All Bibles state or suggest that this behavior is wrong and a sin. Bibles are not politically correct, those books state truths no matter whom it might hurt.
37 posted on 07/30/2002 12:08:58 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Houmatt
Hold it. If two people of the same gender are allowed to marry in the eyes of the law, where do we draw the line? Where do we say one can, but the other cannot?

You draw the line at rights. If an action does not infringe upon the rights of another.. the state has no business restraining it.

If we allow same-sex marriage, should we also allow a brother and sister to be married? How about a mother and son? Father and daughter? A woman and a horse? Where does it end?

It ends at rights. If the participants are consenting adults of sound mind, the state has no business restraining their actions if they do not infringe upon the rights of others.

I will tell you where it ends: Marriage is a union sanctioned by God. It consists of one man and one woman (who are not related). That is the way it is, that is the way it should be.

The Mormons said God told them to marry more than one woman. Did you think the force of state guns should be utilized to prevent them from fulfilling their duty to God? God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

God gave you many personal commandments. But he only speaks to your involvement with other men via these words... "Love thy neighbor as thyself"... "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you".

Apparently though, you apply your "that settles it" credo somewhat selectively.

38 posted on 07/30/2002 12:14:34 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Alan Chapman
The state (morally) has LEGAL authority.

Do you believe that what is legal is also moral?

My statement was made, and should be taken, within the context of this thread. Further, if the legal agrees with a moral authority then yes, I believe that what is legal is also moral.

39 posted on 07/30/2002 12:17:09 PM PDT by 1_Of_We
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To: OWK
Two consenting adult individuals engaging in a contract (of marriage or anything else) are not subject to state establishing terms and conditions, nor are they subject to state's demands of approval... in a society which values rights.

Then why do lezzies get all in an uproar when I suggest that having multiple wives is no one's business but ours?

40 posted on 07/30/2002 12:22:22 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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