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To: VadeRetro
When I used to sometimes make bread from scratch, I didn't start with nothing.

A recipe maybe? (rhetorical)
My original question:
“Can we reproduce the Big Bang… Create time… Form molecules from scratch?”

So you took one part out of context, added the naturalist yeast and made bread? (again – rhetorical) Look, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt the first time but… you didn’t make bread – you just pinched a loaf.

The evidence is incredibly stronger now for his theory than when he published in 1859. Your "belief" on the subject is being steered by some sort of outside influence.

Really? Darwin believed cells were just globs of matter. We now know that they contain DNA, a highly information based system. Ooops.

He spent a little over a month on the Galapagos Islands and a majority of his time breeding pigeons. I do not believe this man intended to pigeon hole science, or have his naturalistic 150 year old theory become a religion.

Does something stop the adapations from accumulating forever? What is it? Why does it look over and over in so many different ways like amphibians came from fish and reptiles came from amphibians and mammals and birds came from reptiles over a lot of time?

The genome. Get a group of guys together jumping out of trees and waving their arms. We’ll get back together in a million or so years to discuss your results. That’s if these men are able to find a mate.

"Does not mean that you are not open?" This is getting silly. Maybe the sentence that precedes that one isn't conclusive proof, but you're not at all open to the idea of evolution.

No, this does not mean I am not open. Yes, this is getting silly. Maybe you can entice the guys with beer and they will be willing to jump and flap.

It's made with mechanistic Godless materialist science. It works without prayer, unless you have certain Microsoft products installed

Since I believe intelligence came from intelligence – I can only assume that you are referring to the loaf you pinched earlier.
Life comes with Intel Inside:)

Now if you will excuse me – I am in the process of designing something. ( I can only hope you understand)

183 posted on 07/30/2002 7:35:36 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
My original question: “Can we reproduce the Big Bang… Create time… Form molecules from scratch?”

So you took one part out of context, added the naturalist yeast and made bread? (again – rhetorical) Look, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt the first time but… you didn’t make bread – you just pinched a loaf.

OK, but you skipped a step. Molecules don't jump together out of nothing. They're made of atoms. No, we haven't recreated the Big Bang. This proves what exactly?

Darwin believed cells were just globs of matter. We now know that they contain DNA, a highly information based system. Ooops.

Darwin didn't know about genetics (the Mendellian details) but he knew about inheritance. He also knew about variation and natural selection. There's no "Ooops!" and there's no scientific alternative.

I do not believe this man intended to pigeon hole science, or have his naturalistic 150 year old theory become a religion.

Earth to Heartlander: Not everything that upsets you is another religion.

The genome. Get a group of guys together jumping out of trees and waving their arms. We’ll get back together in a million or so years to discuss your results.

Well, I guess your Nobel awaits you. Or is it the Medved Award for Silly Strawmanning? Create real pressures on the human population to change, and the survivors will be the ones who changed in the right direction. And so proceed. Over time, the average genome will change if the adaptation is changing.

Since I believe intelligence came from intelligence – I can only assume that you are referring to the loaf you pinched earlier. Life comes with Intel Inside:)

There is no law of conservation of intelligence. It isn't in the Second Law of Thermo or anything else.

191 posted on 07/30/2002 8:10:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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