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To: PatrickHenry
I don't know of any, so the commies are, perhaps, giving us a biased sample to use for making judgments.

There hasn't been that many. Revolutionary France had a strong anti-Christian stain which was a sort of cross between goddess worship and quasi-atheism. The Paris Commune also featured a sort of atheism.

Regardless nations which tilted towards atheism were unpleasant places. As I said earlier, just consider how lame a concept "we are endowed by accident with certain unalienable rights" sounds.

1,067 posted on 08/09/2002 8:29:13 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Regardless nations which tilted towards atheism were unpleasant places.

Most nations, throughout all of history, were unpleasant places. Let's not forget that the American Revolution really did change the world, and made our lives far more pleasant than they would have been otherwise. I submit that it's our revolution, with its principles of equal rights under the law, that has had as much impact on this "valuing life" issue as anything else in history.

And back to my earlier statement that the Greeks and Romans valued their lives, although they weren't Christian, you replied, in 1059, " Well, yes, but they didn't value anybody else's ..." Come now, do you really imagine that Christian nations behave differently? Consider the glory of imperial Spain, from the time of Colombus to the revolutions that swept South America in the early 1800s. For 3 centuries they ruled most of this hemisphere, and God alone knows how many people they slaughtered. I'm not mentioning this to condemn Christianity, but to point out that "valuing life" is not unique to Christians, and de-valuing life is not unique to non-Christians.

As I said earlier, just consider how lame a concept "we are endowed by accident with certain unalienable rights" sounds.

That is lame, as are most strawman-style arguments. What in the world has this to do with anything? I pointed out the valuing life is not unique to Christians, and that even an atheist values his life. I still think this is true.

1,071 posted on 08/10/2002 3:52:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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