[Tribune7]

But consider the classical Greeks and Romans, with their pagan gods. Surely they valued their lives

Well, yes, but they didn't value anybody else's, emotional connections aside.

[balrog666]

Well, yes, but they didn't value anybody else's, emotional connections aside.

Right. All past armies were composed of long-time friends, all cities were founded by family groups, and all past societies were built by constraining people solely through coercion. Uh-uh, yeah, I can see how that happened.