Posted on 07/29/2002 5:51:10 PM PDT by mhking
For example: the Brits invented the object and coined the term "concentration camp."Coined the term, yes. During the Boer War, such camps were set up in South Africa, camps for whites and camps for blacks. The government referred to them only as "refugee camps". The Liberals, campaigning against the camps and other barbarous and evil practices employed during the war, coined the term "concentration camp" in Parliament.
The use of these camps was the worst thing in a very bad war, a war we should never have fought. A war, started by Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner and Joseph Chamberlain, for Transvaal gold and Tory pride, aganinst the protestations of not just the Liberals but also the military itself.
But Britain didn't invent concentration camps. They were based on the system of camps used by the Spanish in Cuba, which were seen as having been effective. And America also used concentration camps, in the Phillipines a few years after the Boer War.
Actually, the greatest number of Native Americans were killed by diseases brought over by the British fishing boats long before America was a country. Most of the east coast poplulations were decimated by the time the Pilgrims arrived. Blame the Brits for carrying over small pox, influenza and other European diseases which killed many more Native Americans then our own westward expansion.
The numbers are exagerrated, but the point is taken. The American Indians got a bad deal. I hope the casinos and cigarette sales go well for them.
Actually, he's almost completely wrong here, just as he is on all his other "points." The vast majority of Indians who died did so purely because they had no immunity to the various diseases we carried over with us from England. Every time our settlers came in contact with a new tribe, we unknowingly transmitted viruses and other nasties to them - malaria, smallpox, TB, etc - and thus large numbers of them died. It is no different from when the Black Plague killed off 1/3 of the European population some centuries earlier. Was that a genocidal plot too?
Besides, the Indians introduced us to tobacco, so I think they've more than evened the score in the end.
This moron's second "argument" about the government letting Indians starve to death in the last century is complete BS, nothing more than a thinly-veiled straw man: "The Americans owed them all free housing, health care, and giant monthly paychecks for life."
How anyone can allot this guy one iota of credibility after he makes this hilarious statement, I'll never know.
...was hijacked at about 0900, at about the same time as the WTC impacts, and its change of course back towards Washington, or its transponder being turned off, would have been known to flight controllers, who were aware of the impacts; why then were US Air Force jets not scrambled to intecept AA77, when there were US Air Force jets at seven locations normally ready to take off at ten minutes' notice, and when particularly the Pentagon, Capitol Hill and the White House were unguarded potential targets for a plane acting suspiciously shortly after two other aircraft were used as makeshift missiles elsewhere?
Because, Captain Clueless, "ready to TAKE OFF at ten minues' notice" is not the same as ABLE TO INTERCEPT within ten minutes' notice. Why do you think they started putting F-16s in the air 24/7 after September 11? Because they're usually not able to intercept in time unless they're already in the air when they're alerted.
Where are the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder (the black boxes)? These black boxes are designed to survive any crash. Have they been examined by experts from the National Transportation Safety Board, the American agency which usually investigates plane crashes? If not, why not?
For which planes, you dope? And like denydenydeny said, they're not absolutely indestructable. Now, from the NTSB web site:
Please note: information regarding the investigation into the events of September 11, 2001 will be released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is the lead investigative agency. The Safety Board is providing technical assistance to the FBI, as described in the September 13 Press Advisory.Perhaps if you'd bothered to take all of thirty seconds to research this question as I did, instead of just continuing to bang out your pathetic little screed of America-envy, you too could have found this out for yourself. And yet again, from just a few moments of searching, I found this on the FBI web site:
Forensic Audio, Video, and Image Analysis Unit personnel collaborated with personnel from the National Transportation Safety Board to try to recover audio from cockpit voice recorders on American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 93. Flight 77's magnetic tape cockpit voice recorder was destroyed in the fire. The solid state cockpit voice recorder from Flight 93 was damaged in the crash; however, with assistance from the manufacturer, the data were recovered. The audio data were transcribed and translated. Unit personnel also worked with Federal Aviation Administration personnel to obtain air traffic control audio from the four flights.This is from a PR release of theirs from a couple months back. I'm not going to bother searching to see whether the WTC black boxes have been found yet or not. We've already proved he's lying. Let's move on to his next falsehood.
If the plane was not shot down, but rather remained intact until hitting the ground, how could this debris travel the six miles from the crash site to Indian Lake in minutes , when there was only a 10mph wind blowing?
1) What's the frickin' difference if it WAS shot down? We know the order had been given. The American people almost unanimously supported Bush's decision when they were told about it.
2) But since it wasn't shot down: Take a 3rd-grade physics class, you twit. Planes spiraling out of control only 500 feet off the ground are usually being pushed well past their design limits. All it would have taken was one broken window or opened door to start sucking papers and crud out of the plane.
Why did President George W Bush do nothing (except listen to a little girl's story about her pet goat) during the thirty minutes between when he was informed that the second jet hit the WTC and the Pentagon impact?
Bzzzt. He's lying. Air Force One left the ground, with Bush on it, at 9:57 am. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:43 am. Not only was there only a 14-minute lapse, less than half the time that Hate Boy falsely claims, but Bush also gave his speech and hightailed it out of the elementary school at 9:30, only 27 minutes after the second tower was hit, and 13 minutes before the next plane hit the Pentagon. As to why Bush even waited that long, the answer's right in front of this guy's nose; he's just intentionally ignoring it. 1) Bush was meeting with a bunch of little kids. He wasn't going to start jumping up and down, screaming "TERRORISM! TERRORISM!" and scaring the hell out of a bunch of second-graders. 2) At the time, which, again, was WELL before the Pentagon or Pennsylvania crashes, there was no reason for Bush to believe that anything else was going to happen that day. We all knew the WTC was a target for years, now they finally hit it. There is nothing Bush could have done with that extra 27 minutes but sit around and yell at people to get him more information, something they were already doing for him anyway while he sat there with the kids.
Why did the significantly less badly damaged South Tower collapse first...
Pure lie. The South Tower was not "significantly less badly damaged." Pure damned LOGIC would tell you that, since IT COLLAPSED FIRST.
Would a limited amount of jet fuel burning in an enclosed space (with little oxygen available for combustion) actually produce temperatures high enough (some 1538°C/2800°F) to melt massive steel beams (and ALL the steel beams, since steel conducts heat efficiently) enclosed in concrete in just 47 minutes?
Again, take a physics class, you twerp. Heat and temperature are not the same thing. I'm not going to waste my time going into any more detail than that.
Why were such huge quantities of ash and dust produced? How could fire convert concrete into dust? Has the ash been chemically analysed to determine what it really is, and how it might have been produced?
Pure bottom-fishing in the hopes of finding something - ANYTHING - that will support his psychotic claims. Alas, he fails here as well. When the concrete floors started pancaking, each of which weighed hundreds of tons, and shot the pressure up exponentially as more and more floors fell on top of each other, the concrete - and everything and everyone smushed in between - was atomized, vaporized and pulverized. It didn't have anything to do with the fire. And yes, the "ash" has been analyzed. Ever heard of the EPA?
Why were no aircraft fragments, identifiable as coming from a Boeing 757, recovered from the Pentagon crash site?
Another pure lie. It was reported early on that the crash was so intense that it was hard for any lay people (non-aviation professionals) at the scene to "find more than a few pieces that actually looked like an airplane," the pros had no trouble identifying the parts. Oh, by the way Hate Boy: If no plane hit the Pentagon, can you please tell us a) what did cause the explosion and fire; and b) where are all the people that were on that plane that morning?
Why were no remains of the approximately sixty passengers and crew on the jet which allegedly hit the Pentagon returned to relatives?
Go visit a crematorium and you'll have your answer as soon as they shove the next body into the furnace. Even better, why not try the furnace out for yourself?
Since you're either dealing with a leftist or a lunatic (mostly the same thing), it's pointless to engage in any attempt at a rational dicussion although some of the above posters have effectively countered the stupidest leftist claims.
You're right. Plymouth Rock was the scene of a deadly smallpox plague that wiped out a nation of American Indians.
But there were instances like the Cherokee Trail of Tears, where the Cherokees and Chocktaws were forcibly marched from the Appalachians to Oklahoma. This was a 1000 mile hike during the winter of 1838 & 1839. More than 3000 Cherokee died on the Trail of Tears, 1600 in stockades and about the same number en route. 800 more died in 1839 in Oklahoma. The Chocktaws also suffered greatly.
I don't know about starvation in the 20th Century, but where I disagree with the US policies is the fact that we have forced treaties on these nations, forced them onto tiny reservations, and we have failed to live up to the treaties.
A few American Indian nations are beginning to make some money from gambling and tobacco sales. I'm very happy for them. If they are, in fact, separate nations then they should be able to make a living without the states or feds interfering.
In fact, that might be a good idea for everybody.
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