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American WWII Prison Camp Survivors Sue U.S. Gov't
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Posted on 07/29/2002 2:20:09 PM PDT by RCW2001
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posted on
07/29/2002 2:20:09 PM PDT
by
RCW2001
To: RCW2001
hmmmm.... interesting choice.
Believe FDR was a traitor
or
believe those who were imprisoned
or
To: RCW2001
As much as I have a distaste for FDR, I believe this is
Barbara
Streisand
.
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posted on
07/29/2002 2:29:16 PM PDT
by
IncPen
To: RCW2001
GOOFY!
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posted on
07/29/2002 2:36:14 PM PDT
by
A. Morgan
To: A. Morgan
There is no honor among thieves. This is just sad. What about the firebombing that took place during that war? Is that somehow cruel and unusual now because we know it occured knowingly? What about the torment Churchill went through when he couldn't take a certain action that would have saved lives because it would have belied the breaking of the German Enigma codes? This is just sad.
To: A. Morgan
There is no honor among thieves. This is just sad. What about the firebombing that took place during that war? Is that somehow cruel and unusual now because we know it occured knowingly? What about the torment Churchill went through when he couldn't take a certain action that would have saved lives because it would have belied the breaking of the German Enigma codes? This is just sad.
To: RCW2001
Hooey!
War IS Hell.
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posted on
07/29/2002 2:45:05 PM PDT
by
jbstrick
To: RCW2001
I guess that not all of the "greatest generation" were really that great after all....gimme..gimme...gimme
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posted on
07/29/2002 2:48:45 PM PDT
by
freeper12
To: freeper12
I guess that not all of the "greatest generation" were really that great after all....gimme..gimme...gimme I don't know that you can include this plaintiff with the "greatest generation" - she was only 4 years old in 1945.
D'Amato said the genesis of the suit was a contact he received from American camp survivor Marcia Fee Achenbach, who was 4 years old when her prison camp was liberated by American soldiers. He said Achenbach, now a plaintiff in the case,
To: thegreatbeast
Hold on. If the claims are true, then the government should be held responsible. If they deliberately prevented these people from leaving the islands for the sole purpose of making political hay against the Japanese, as far as I'm concerned, it amounts to war crimes and ought to be punished.
A bit about the Enigma code, though; the Germans thought the code was unbreakable, and with good reason--it was (is) unbreakable. The sheer volume of different possibilites that exist with each encoded message is something to the order of 150 million million million, and that's just on a standard 3 rotor machine. Multiply that number by 26 (for the additional rotor) on the U-Boats, and you have a number that is so astronomically high that it was, quite literally, impossible to break, especially given the 24 hour period they worked within, seeing as Enigma codes changed daily. To say that Churchill grapped with whether to "expose" that the British had broken the Enigma code is misleading; even if they had broken it, it would have changed the next day, and no doubt the Germans would have dismissed it as a unlikely coincidence. Although at many points the British were able to capture some "keys" to Enigma, with German plaintext next to the ciphered message, the Germans simply changed the weather report codes or what have you.
Although the British had become fairly adept in beating Enigma (mostly through German folly) the idea that Churchill grappled with this moral dilemma is somewhat misleading.
To: RCW2001
Harry Truman, sealed the transcripts in perpetuity.
Ain't that nice in a republic where the government derives its powers from the people the government leaders can pull this BS
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posted on
07/29/2002 3:25:45 PM PDT
by
uncbob
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To: IncPen
As much as I have a distaste for FDR, I believe this is Barbara StreisandThen this doesn't bother you at all?
Roosevelt's successor, Harry Truman, sealed the transcripts in perpetuity.
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posted on
07/29/2002 3:42:10 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: gcruse
>>As much as I have a distaste for FDR, I believe this is Barbara Streisand<< Then this doesn't bother you at all?
Roosevelt's successor, Harry Truman, sealed the transcripts in perpetuity.
It bothers me that this thing is being foisted on us by a Trial Liar.
Suppose they go to trial (or even discovery) and there's nothing to this. Then who pays?
If there is something to this, then what? What could compensate these people or their (shades of reparations) descendants, how much would it take?
Frankly, I'm more concerned about the sealed evidence in the Clinton impeachment.
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posted on
07/29/2002 4:08:59 PM PDT
by
IncPen
To: RCW2001
Just eight hours after the Japanese launched the surprise Dec. 7, 1941, attack on the U.S. fleet anchored in Hawaii's Pearl Harbor, an armada of U.S. planes was destroyed on the ground at a Filipino base.
Generally (especially initially) the people obsessed with Roosevelt-as-Antichrist conspiracy theories knowing about Pearl Harbor but not telling anyone and whatnot were the same people who worshipped McArthur as a God.
Yet this was after McArthur was fully aware of the Pearl attack, and it was entirely his responsibility.
Regarding the initial story, they're suing the US and not Japan because they think they have a better chance of winning. But it makes absolutely no sense. Japan attacking the Phillipines, by itself, is plenty enough justification for war. And ironically, I've never heard, and in histories have read almost nothing, about US Civilians in the Phillipines being held captive by the Japanese. It seems clear to me that this was almost totally unused in US propaganda.
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posted on
07/29/2002 4:51:28 PM PDT
by
John H K
To: Viva Le Dissention
as far as I'm concerned, it amounts to war crimes and ought to be punished. Really? And just who should be punished? And how?
The Reparations Railroad, that's what this is.
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posted on
07/29/2002 4:55:43 PM PDT
by
Glenn
To: IncPen
And people ask why we should follow Shakspers[sp] advice and kill all the lawyers. That may be a little extreme,maybe just 10 a day
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posted on
07/29/2002 5:33:28 PM PDT
by
bybybill
To: bybybill
>>maybe just 10 a day
10 a day? we will never finish in time....
To: John H K
A judicial mercy killing awaits this case, methinks.
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posted on
07/29/2002 9:09:37 PM PDT
by
Hoplite
To: John H K
Read Bergamini's "Japan's Imperial Conspiracy". He was, as a child, held captive by the Japanese in Manila and barely escaped the infamous and well documented massacare in 1945.
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