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To: amused
JMJ is right.

Do you really think this sort of crime would occur, much less with any sort of regularity (as is the case now), if we had some basic morality in this country, the kind prevalent in the 1940s, when abortion and homosexuality were considered unspeakable evils?

Do you think that this sort of thing happened in the 1940s, anywhere near as frequently as it does now?

Does it not impress you that these sorts of monstrous child abductions, rapes, etc., are happening virtually daily anymore in the United States?

Do you conceive of a floor, below which you might think our society has decayed?

Do you see this crime as just an isolated nutcase acting out on an infant? Do you not see the forest for this tree?

I get the impression that you see no such floor, that there is no abomination that you can witness in the news, that will ever be associated in your mind, with our country's descent into atheism and satanism.

You are as blind as a bat.

51 posted on 07/29/2002 10:51:15 AM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie
Good grief,,she isn't blind. atheism and satanism have nothing to do with this crime in my humble opinion. I do agree that the railings are off in our culture so to speak. Lots of very marginal criminal types are out there roaming around looking for victims. But those types have always been there. Plus we hear about these things now with 24 hours of news,,in the forties things didn't get spread around on cable, internet, etc. They happened then too.
60 posted on 07/29/2002 10:57:23 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: caddie
Well for one thing I doubt crimes of this nature would even be mentioned in the 40's as to not offend people's sensibilities. It would go down as one of those horrid crimes where the details cannot be mentioned in a family newspaper.

Now I am aware of baby rapings in South Africa where some superstition says sex with a virgin can cure AIDS but I haven't heard of many baby rapings here. The truth is disugusting enough, it does not need embellishment

I have called the person responsible evil, you call him a nutcase. Then you get on your soap box and make an assumption.

Let me play the guessing game, you are frightened to death of the incredible surge of kidnappings and child assaults in the news lately, even when the stats show no real noticable rise is such monstrosities over the last few years. Did you stay out of the water last summer with the "upswing" in the amount of shark attacks too?

On second thought, the above may be a bit unfair. I just chafe under the ultra righteous who cannot see that their concerns about the state of moral decay of our society tends to come off as a personal wish to be right rather than their wish for that decay to reverse. Presentation is key. You won't convince me(ironically you didn't even need to in this case) by calling me stupid and thumping your chest about how you see the evil and I am somehow implicitly evil for not recognizing it.

78 posted on 07/29/2002 11:11:54 AM PDT by amused
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To: caddie
"Do you really think this sort of crime would occur, much less with any sort of regularity (as is the case now), if we had some basic morality in this country,"

yes... You see gross perversion and child rape has been going on in one very large church for a long time... one that CLAIMS a LOT of morality.... or have you been missing the news reports for the last few years?

the leader of that very large Church STILL cannot bring himself to fully condemn and punish the perps and turn over all the evidence they have in the organization to go and get 'em...

Judgment has to begin at God's house, not the government's... When the religous leaders decide to clean house and castrate or kill the perpetrators of crimes of this nature, within their ranks, then the followwers of said "relgions" can thump their chests over righteousness all they want... until then, the "morality" diatribe is lost on MOST americans.

This person is evil, pure and simple and it has NOTHING to do with birth control pills, condoms or abortion. And if the Church cared anything about the value of human life, it would thoroughly PURGE the ranks of perverts whom they have coddled, protected and transfered with regularity to new "killing fields" where they create new members of the "jeffrey dahmer" society by their atrocities, committed in the name of God Almighty.

No doubt this person is evil... but blaming on the rest of us for what a partcular groups finds "immoral" or "offensive to God" while they offend us daily with immoral hypocracy and covering for child rapists... is MORE than a bit of a stretch.

HOW many dahmers have these corrupt and perverse child abusers created, under the aegis of "religion?" It's not the nation's morality that is bringing us down... it is the church's IMMORALITY and complacence world wide that is.

136 posted on 07/29/2002 1:21:15 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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