Weed Whackers The anti-marijuana forces, and why they're wrong

National Review ^ | 8/20/2001 | Rich Lowry

[SkyRat]

After reading my post again I need to add something.

If you know that legalizing anything that you should have the liberty to have would do real harm to others, would you still be as willing to have that liberty.

I think guns should be legal to get although if someone irresponsible or stupid abuses one, there can be a lot of harm. If we legalize MJ there, too, will be stupid and irresponsible people using it, but at least all they do is screw up their own lifes.

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.
Isaiah 10:1-2

[biblewonk]

I was saying what Paul was saying. Before you demand liberty for yourself, consider what it will do to others who are weaker. Paul always thought of the Church and wouldn't let his own liberty hurt a weaker member of the church.

[SkyRat]

I was saying what Paul was saying.

I'm not too familiar with the bible. Are you refering to 1 Cor. 10:23-33 ?

Before you demand liberty for yourself, consider what it will do to others who are weaker.

Demand my liberty? From whom? That's funny, I thought my rights were given to me at birth, why should I ask for them?

You try to corner me into a position where I have to bring evidence that MJ is somehow good for society. But it's the other way around. If you want to restrict my rights, you need to have good reasons for doing so.

You need to remeber, there are many people in jail right now, for nothing else than possesion of MJ. We know by now that MJ is in no way worse than alcohol or nikotin. It's not a gateway drug, it's not addictive, there are no ill effects for casual use. Yes, some won't be able to handle it. Just like some can't handle acohol or gambling. Why has society the right to keep those men? What exactly did they do?

[biblewonk]

I'm not too familiar with the bible. Are you refering to 1 Cor. 10:23-33 ?

Yes and all of Acts 8.

Demand my liberty? From whom? That's funny, I thought my rights were given to me at birth, why should I ask for them?

What rights were given to you at birth that those starving in N Korea seem to lack?

You try to corner me into a position where I have to bring evidence that MJ is somehow good for society.

Not intentionally

You need to remeber, there are many people in jail right now, for nothing else than possesion of MJ.

Are you sure? How many people are in jail right now for prostitution? OK, maybe at this minute there are some, but for how long. You keep saying you like I am the government and I am making the rules. Who made prostitution illegal in the books? How is in enforced. In CR a girl was trying to get herself picked up by 4 guys at the same time. A 3rd party tried to talk her into a little self respect. A cop was called and guess who was hauled away? The 3rd party because he lipped off to to the cop. You can pretty much smoke all the weed and screw all the ho's you want, just don't get in a cops face about it.

[SkyRat]

What rights were given to you at birth that those starving in N Korea seem to lack?

The same rights. If your question is, why I had the fortune of being born in a country where my rights are respected, that I dont know. But tell me, what makes you so special that your drug of choice is allowed ?

Are you sure?

Yes, I am.

How many people are in jail right now for prostitution?

Who cares? How is it related?

OK, maybe at this minute there are some, but for how long.

It doesnt matter for how long.

You keep saying you like I am the government and I am making the rules.

You seem to support it.

You can pretty much smoke all the weed and screw all the ho's you want, just don't get in a cops face about it.

Once again, would you give up the right to bear arms just because the government tells you to? Wouldnt you speak up? Sure, smoking pot is only a unimportant matter, why not follow the rules? Why not pay your support for the WoD and shut the fuck up? It's so simple to be a slave.

[dcwusmc]

You seem to have a clear concept of things. Nice work, thanks! I could wish other posters were so clear!

[jodorowsky]

Hear, hear!

[caisson71]

Years more experience, destroyed lives of promising young people and COMMON SENSE!!

[tacticalogic]

Years more experience, destroyed lives of promising young people and COMMON SENSE!!

Personal opinion asserted as self-evident truth, without evidence or objective reason. It is dogma, and it has no place in the debate and free exchange of ideas because it's purpose is to prevent it.

[caisson71]

ROADAPPLES!!

[tacticalogic]

Truth.

[A CA Guy]

Illegal drugs are not needed. Let them stay illegal and the people remain sober MORE often.

[tacticalogic]

Illegal drugs are not needed.

Why associate legality with necessity? Is the purpose of government to insure that we have only that which is essential?

Let them stay illegal and the people remain sober MORE often.

Speculation. What is not speculation is that marijuana is arguably less destructive than alcohol, and that the current situation insures that alcohol will be the only recreational drug legally available to a significant portion of the population that has a predisposition to alcoholism.

[A CA Guy]

Dream on! No excuse to do drugs. Spend time instead getting those that over-drink sober instead.
One bad thing is not a reason to allow another bad thing.

[tacticalogic]

Good non answer. Now, what is the logical premise for basing legality and availability purely on necessity? What political system or systems are consistent with that premise?

[freedomcrusader]

Illegal drugs are not needed.

According to whom? Will mommy government tell me what I need and don't need, and provide it for me? Gee, thanks mom!!!

[Cultural Jihad]

Most of us have real jobs, CJ, where we spend our time doing what we are paid for.

So much for busy-body libertarians claiming they want everyone else to just mind their own business.

[Dakmar]

I don't really give a rats *** what you do, I was refuting your implication that pot smokers are all somehow dependent on government largesse.

[Dakmar]

BTW, I posted that three days ago, just now getting caught up on your hate mail?

[Cultural Jihad]

I was refuting your implication that pot smokers are all somehow dependent on government largesse.

Sorry but I don't see any such implication in that regard. I wasn't even writing about pot smokers, but rather the grievous tendency of ideologues to turn a blind eye to evil and their historical revisionism which tries to enshrine evil behaviors as some sort of human right.