Bring Back The Death Penalty. Better Yet, Public Execution!

I think we're on to something here. No cop, prosecutor or judge is likely to risk their life in taking responsibility for a wrongful execution so we'll have volunteer citizens for that.

I see you responded. Not good enough, however. You're going to have to live in the real world, as opposed to your dream world, where convicted killers really do spend the rest of their lives in jail.

Who cares what you "favor". The reality is that convicted killers ARE paroled, frequently. "Life in prison" is a joke, and always will be, so long as the left has a say in how we run our penal institutions.

Is there ever a case for capital punishment in your world view, or will you have to suffer a more personal loss before you change your mind?

I would so volunteer if I were in favor of the indicated paroles.

Nope. If you want us to take responsibility for what the justice system does regarding putting a perp to death, you have to be responsible for actions the justice system takes with regarding to paroling a murderer.

This is about the judgement of the justice system, not your judgement.

If horse stealing was a hanging offense, why isn't auto theft?
Think the insurance companies would get behind that one?

Where's the courage of your "convictions"? Going to respond to Knitebane's question?

I did. Ya gots to allow me some time to type, ya know.

Set up a gillitine on court square. Death is instantanious. There is no electric burn to worry about, no misfires to be econcerned about, no trap door problems and no waste of drugs. Public exicutions have been legal since prehistoric times and should be happening now.
The death penalty is ugly. Its supposed to be. Capital crimes are even uglier. Like it or not exicution is the right right award for the approprite crime.

No cop, prosecutor or judge is likely to risk their life in taking responsibility for a wrongful execution so we'll have volunteer citizens for that.

You're off in some fantasy land where you want to protect some "innocent" on death row. You've been asked to supply us with just one single case in which a death row inmate was wrongfully executed anywhere in the US in the last ten years or so. Or, go back to 1979, when the death penalty was reinstituted.

I am in the real world. In the real world we don't have what you favor either.

Can you demonstrate where a wrongful execution has ever happened? Anywhere in the US?

Dead men tell no tales.

Dead men tell no tales.

Just as I thought. You can't. Wouldn't you think some enterprising, anti-death penalty, liberal, Pulitzer-coveting reporter would have found an innocent man among the many who've been executed? That would blow a huge whole in any sentiment for the death penalty.

That no journalist has done that is telling.

Time for a revolt by the citizens. The appalling state of the world particularly internal US must be corrected immediately. Corporate fraud, politcal corruptions, priestly abuse, and murder of our innocent children must stop. Action not words are needed now. I am afraid we are spiralling into an abyss of evil.

I am with you too on this.

You should take responsibility for the results of the death penalty because you are calling for the death penalty. I have no reason for taking responsibility for the indicated paroles because I'm against those paroles.

"I want a public execution. I want retribution. I want revenge and I want a deterrent to this happening again,"...

...she raves, knitting needles clacking.

"Twenty-eight," mumbles Madame Defarge, sitting beside her, keeping tally.

You're off in some fantasy land where you want to protect some "innocent" on death row.

Nope. I'm from NYC where you see what can be done to people by dirty civilians, cops, prosecutors, judges...

No fantasies here.

Can you demonstrate where a wrongful execution has ever happened? Anywhere in the US?

I don’t know what would convince anyone that someone had been wrongfully executed. None of us were witnesses to any of these crimes and both sides are just relying on the statements of others.

We know that people have been wrongfully imprisoned, some for decades. That, coupled with the knowledge that humans make mistakes, leads me to believe that it is highly likely that innocent people have been executed. I don’t see any reason to exclude people sentenced to death from the pool of criminal cases in which mistakes have been made. And I don’t like giving our government the power to kill its citizens. It’s just too much power.

I found this online. Who knows what to make of it.

From Michael L. Radelet, Hugo Adam Bedau, and Constance Putnam, In Spite of Innocence: Erroneous Convictions in Capital Cases. Boston: Northeastern University Press, 1992, and Bedau and Radelet, "Miscarriages of Justice in Potentially Capital Cases," Stanford Law Review 40:21-179 (1987)

"Thanks to Modern Politics 23 Innocent People Have been Removed from the Living." They are:

1. Adams, James. Florida. Adams was convicted of first-degree murder, sentenced to death, and executed in 1984. A witness identified Adams as driving the car away from the victim's home shortly after the crime. This witness, however, was driving a large truck in the direction opposite to that of Adams' car, and it was later discovered that this witness was angry with Adams for allegedly dating his wife. A second witness the day after the crime stated that the fleeing person was positively not Adams. A hair sample found clutched in the victim's hand, which in all likelihood had come from the assailant, did not match Adams’ hair.

2. Anderson, William Henry. Florida Anderson was convicted of the rape of a white woman, sentenced to death, and executed in 1945 without an appeal having been made. The victim had not resisted, screamed, or used an available pistol to resist Anderson's advances. Anderson and the victim had been consensually intimate for several months before rape charges were filed.

3. Applegate, Everett. New York. Applegate was convicted, with Francis Q. Creighton, of the murder of Applegate's wife; both were sentenced to death in 1936. Creighton had been tried and acquitted on two separate occasions for similar murders a dozen years before she met Applegate. In this case, she killed the victim (by arsenic poisoning) at Applegate's instigation. "Virtually no evidence against Applegate existed beyond Mrs. Creighton's unsupported word." Governor Herbert Lehman, who had doubts about Applegat's guilt, requested the prosecutor's support for clemency for Applegate; it was not forthcoming, and clemency was denied.

4. Bambrick, Thomas. New York. Bambrick was convicted of murder, and sentenced to death. Evidence was later discovered that convinced Warden Thomas Mott Osbourne and the prison chaplain that another man had committed the crime. Osbourne commented "It is almost as certain that Bambrick is innocent as that the sun will rise tomorrow."

5-6. Becker, Charles and Frank ("Dago") Cirofici. New York. Becker and Cirofici were convicted of murder; Cirofici was executed in 1914 and Becker in 1915. The victim, Rosenthal, was a gambling house owner. He was convicted largely on the testimony of gamblers and ex-convicts in the glare of extensive newspaper publicity about police corruption. Former Sing Sing warden, Thomas Mott Osbourne, who knew the closet friends of the gunmen, stated that these friends all agreed Cirofici had nothing to do with the murder and was not even present when it occurred. Warden Osbourne also believed that Becker was not guilty.

7. Collins, Roosevelt. Alabama. Collins was convicted of rape, sentenced to death, and executed in 1937. Collins testified that the victim the "victim" had consented, which caused a near-riot in the courtroom. The all-white jury deliberated for only four minutes. Subsequent interviews with several jurors revealed that although they believed the act was consensual, they also thought Collins deserved to death simply for "messin’ around" with a white woman. Even the judge, off the record, admitted his belief that Collins was telling the truth. "An innocent man went to his death."

8. Dawson, Sie. Florida. Dawson was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. The conviction by an all-white male jury was based on a confession obtained from Dawson after he had spent more then a week in custody without the assistance of counsel and on an accusation by the victim's husband. Dawson had an I.Q. of 64. At trial, Dawson repudiated his confession, claiming it was given only because "the white officers told him to say he killed Mrs. Clayton or they'd give him to "the mob’ outside." There were no eyewitnesses and the circumstantial evidence was slight and inconclusive.

9. Garner, Vance. Alabama. With Jack Hunter and Will Johnson, Garner was convicted of murder and sentenced to death. No appeals were undertaken. Garner had maintained his complete innocence, while Hunter admitted his own guilt and absolved both Garner and Johnson. Johnson's sentence was later commuted to life, but Garner was executed in 1905.

10-11. Grezchowiak, Stephen and Max Rybarczyk. New York. Grezchowiak and Rybarczyk were both convicted of felony murder and sentenced to death. Co-defendant Alexander Bogdanoff insisted that neither Grezchowiak nor Rybarczyk had been involved in the crime, and that each had been mistakenly identified by the eyewitnesses. He refused, however, to reveal the names of his true accomplices. In their final words, they maintained their innocence, and Bogdanoff again declared that the two were innocent.

12. Hauptmann, Bruno Richard. New Jersey. Hauptmann was convicted of felony-murder-burglary, sentenced to death, and executed in 1936. He was infamous as the ransom-kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby. Although Governor Hoffman believed that Hauptmann was framed, he chose not to halt the execution. There is no doubt that the conviction rested in part on corrupt prosecutorial practices, suppression of evidence, intimidation of witnesses, prejured testimony, and Hauptmann's prior record.

13. Hill, Joe. Utah. Hill was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of two storekeepers. The prosecution was based on sketchy circumstantial evidence and was in part the result of collusion between the prosecution and the trial judge in an atmosphere of anti-union hostility. Despite several appeals from President Woodrow Wilson to the Utah authorities for a reprieve, Hill was denied a new trial. Hill appears to have been an innocent victim of "politics, finance and organized religion, a powerful trinity"; his conviction and death are "one of the worst travesties of justice in American labor history."

14. Lamble, Harold. New Jersey. Lamble was convicted and sentenced to death. After the execution, Governor Edward Edwards refused requests to appoint a special counsel to investigate the case, despite what the New York Times called a "rather widespread fear that perhaps" Lamble was innocent. Lamble's attorney was disbarred for mishandling the defense.

15. Mays, Maurice F. Tennessee. Mays was convicted of murder in the killing of a white woman and sentenced to death. Mays’ conviction rested on the testimony of a police officer who had disliked him for years and on the testimony of an eyewitness who never got a clear look at the killer. On appeal, the conviction was reversed because the judge, rather than the jury, had fixed the penalty at death. Mays was retried, reconvicted, and resentenced to death. In 1922, Mays was executed, still maintaining his innocence. In 1926, the real killer confessed in a written statement that revealed she was a white woman who had dressed up as a black man to kill the woman with whom her husband was having an affair.

16. McGee, Willie. Mississippi. McGee was convicted of the rape of a white woman and sentenced to death by an all-white jury that deliberated for only two and a half minutes. the chief evidence against him was a coerced confession that he gave after being held incommunicado for thirty-two days after his arrest; the victim's husband and her two children, asleep in the next room, never heard any commotion from the alleged attack. The victim had been consorting with McGee for four years and was angry at his efforts to terminate their relationship. Nonetheless, local blacks were too intimidated to give this evidence in court, and local whites felt the woman's consent was impossible or irrelevant. McGee was executed in 1951.

17-18. Sacco, Nicola, and Bartolomeo Vanzetti. Massachusetts. Sacco and Vanzetti were convicted of murder in the course of armed robbery, sentenced to death, and executed in 1927. Their case is probably the most controversial death penalty case in this century. They were arrested and tired in an atmosphere dominated by "the Red Scare" of the early 1920s. In 1925, another man also under the death sentence in Massachusetts confessed to the crime. Extensive investigation of the confession convinced many that he was, indeed, telling the truth. In 1926, the trial judge denied motions for a retrial based on the confession. In 1977, on the occasion of the fiftieth anniversary of the executions, Governor Dukakis signed a carefully worded proclamation intended to remove "any stigma and disgrace" from their names.

19. Sanders, Albert. Alabama. Sanders was convicted with Fisher Brooks of murder and sentenced to death. Though he had nothing to gain by helping Sanders, Brooks testified at Sander's trial that Sanders was innocent. Another fellow prisoner testified that he had heard Sanders confess, however, and both Brooks and Sanders were executed in 1918. In a statement from the scaffold, Brooks again insisted on Sanders’ innocence.

20. Sberna, Charles. New York. Sberna was convicted of first-degree murder of a police officer. His codefendant, Salvatore Gati, testified at the trial that Sberna was innocent. Gati also said the head of the New York Homicide Bureau had told him that he knew Sberna was innocent, and would clear his name if Gati would reveal the name of his real accomplices. Gati refused to do this. Sberna and Gati were both wrongfully executed in 1938. The prison chaplain said of Sberna, "This is the first time I’ve ever been positive that an innocent man was going to the chair."

21. Shumway, R. Mead. Nebraska. Shumway was convicted of the first-degree murder of his employer's wife on circumstantial evidence and sentenced to death. One juror, the only one to hold out against the death penalty, told his friends he "had not slept well any night since the trial." He later left a note in which he expressed "great worry at the trial," and he then killed himself. In 1910, the victim's husband confessed on his deathbed that he had murdered his wife.

22. Tucker, Charles Louis. Massachusetts. Tucker was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death in 1905. More than 100,000 Massachusetts residents signed petitions on behalf of clemency. Among those convinced of his innocence was the county medical examiner and a clergyman who said a witness had told him she perjured herself at the original trial. Tucker was nonetheless executed in 1906.

23. Wing, George Chew. New York. Wing was convicted of first-degree murder (after a 30-minute trial) and sentenced to death. While he was in prison awaiting execution, Wing convinced several observers that he had been falsely identified by eyewitnesses and that perjured testimony had been used against him. Warden Lewis Lawes also questioned his guilt, but Wing was nonetheless executed in 1937.

So you are saying that a person convicted of a heinous offense is not responsble for commiting that offense?

Are you trying to say that "it takes a villiage" to commit a gruesom murder?

Or maybe that it's not really Mr. Murderer's fault, that it's "society's" fault?

I'll be forthright with you. Our justice system is slanted toward the accused. The defense attorney gets to see all of the evidence that the prosecution has, while the prosecution has no idea what the defense is going to bring up. The defense is allowed to lie, twist evidence and mislead the jury.

With all of those advantages, if some schmuck manages to get himself caught up in a capital rap and can't plea bargain down to a lesser offense, then he's not exactly a bonus for the gene pool.

It would suck if someone got fried that didn't have it coming. But then, most people that get their brains blown out over $13.56 or strangled because they are 8 years old and cute didn't have it coming either.

You can take steps to ensure that as few mistakes as possible are made, but you can't save everyone. People like you who whine about the one or two people in 3 decades that have possibly been innocent and were executed are the ones who have been responsible for backlogging the system with appeals and lawsuits to the point that criminals are walking the streets, looking for their next victim, when they ought to have a date with Old Sparky.

Your sentiments are touching, but assuming that mistakes were made is not the same thing as proving that mistakes were made.

I notice that in the article you posted, only one supposed "innocent" was executed recently (1984). Even in that one, the exculpating evidence was hair and the word of one witness (over against the word of another witness). In none of these cases do we know what evidence was used to convict.

I suspect some enterprising doctoral student would have exposed the innocent death row "victim" by now, but, amazingly, none have.

There likely aren't any.

How do you feel about Bill O'Reiley's stand on the death penalty? He is against it but not because it is "inhuman and cruel punishment" as those Euro wheiners cry. The reason he is against it is that the punishment is not enough and if I think about it he is right. What do they get? Lethal injection, which means they feel a little prick in their skin if at all and everything is over in a few seconds. He feels life in prison at hard labor would be more effective. Now add to it the death penalty and maybe that would be a deterrent

I'm from NYC where you see what can be done to people by dirty civilians, cops, prosecutors, judges...

How many people are on death row in New York? Not many, I suspect.