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Traficant's legal foes seek long jail term (Beacause of ATTITUDE More Than "Crimes")
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | July 29, 2002 | John Caniglia

Posted on 07/29/2002 7:23:19 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: exodus

AKA: YOU WILL NOT RESIST THE BORG!

If you are a small fry that can be ignored or labeled a kook, that's one thing. But a congressman? FORGET ABOUT IT!

81 posted on 07/29/2002 6:03:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: PJ-Comix
To: exodus
Where online can we find the transcript of the Ethics Committee hearings on Traficant?
If you can find it, please post the link here.
Thanx.
# 45 by PJ-Comix

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Here you go, PJ-Comix.

For these Ethics Committee transcripts you will need the acrobat reader program. If you find a link to a regular html transcript, please let me know. I can't copy and paste from the acrobat program.

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2545

82 posted on 07/29/2002 6:18:35 PM PDT by exodus
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To: PJ-Comix
My thoughts are: Gee, why are they going after Traficant when they ignored/stonewalled/purposefully hindered/outright lied for/ and defended all the lies from/ derailed all the investigations into Bill Clinton's wrong doing?

Contrasted to Clinton, Traficant is small potatoes.

83 posted on 07/29/2002 6:35:03 PM PDT by Darksheare
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To: Mr. Bird
There is no conspiracy to bring him down, one isn't needed.

You didn't watch any of it did you?

84 posted on 07/29/2002 7:15:45 PM PDT by carenot
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To: exodus
You can copy text in Acrobat Reader. Click the "T" on the toolbar to activate the "Text Select Tool". Highlight the text and copy away. This is with AR 5.0, older versions also have this capability.

Copy-paste away!

85 posted on 07/29/2002 7:17:00 PM PDT by Sledge
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To: Travis McGee
Where is the single shred of evidence not based on the testimony of felons and lawyers that the fedgov have by the testicles?

HeHeee, there is no evidence, Travis.

Traficant is right, but he hasn't gone far enough yet. I hope he will.

86 posted on 07/29/2002 7:26:52 PM PDT by carenot
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To: John_11_25
No, he will kill himself or die of natural causes before long.
87 posted on 07/29/2002 7:33:08 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Dave S
If he really was innocent, a real lawyer like like Joe Di Genova could have gotten him off easily. He would have made mince meat of the prosecutions case.

So, do you think Traficant would have got off if he had hired a lawyer?

Richard Detore, also fighting the Government paid, $240,000 and then his lawyer quit him.

He seemed to do very well without a lawyer at the hearings.

Oh, nevermind, most folks had rather watch somthing else.

88 posted on 07/29/2002 7:44:46 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Dave S
. The Branch Davidians lit the fire so they go out in their blaze of glory, kind of like Islamic terrorists would in a similar situation.

Maybe so, but I wonder about one of the audios I heard.

There were voices that were never identified. One said, "Where's the fuel? I know they have fuel here!"

89 posted on 07/29/2002 7:52:30 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Mr. Bird
and those facts lead me to believe the man is a crook.

Would you please share a fact with us?

90 posted on 07/29/2002 7:55:19 PM PDT by carenot
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To: toenail
Oh, PJ-Comix, can't you see? THERE'S NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST HULSHOF EITHER!!! HE MUST HAVE BEEN IN ON IT!!! DID HE REALLY THINK HE'D GET AWAY WITH IT?!?!?!

Maybe no physical evedence. But I have him on tape!

I reckon he ain't as smart as Traficant!

91 posted on 07/29/2002 8:00:38 PM PDT by carenot
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To: PJ-Comix
I wonder if O'Reilly will discuss this case?

Naw, he might get his face dirty.

92 posted on 07/29/2002 8:04:36 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Dave S
The government used Alabama National Guard and hardware during the siege at Waco. Is that legal? I'm not the one to take everything the government says as gospel. Take a look around at some of the bizzare things being proposed re: Patriot Act and TIPS.
93 posted on 07/29/2002 8:17:43 PM PDT by bok
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To: exodus
By your logic, the government-ordered murder of the Branch Davidians was okay,
YOU'RE overlooking the culpability of Vernon Wayne Howell in his refusal to honor deals he struck -

- the promises he went back on (a promise to release his people from the compound) - deals that included air-time on 50 thouand Watt radio station KRLD (in Dallas) for his 'message' as well as time to write about the Seven Seals (a 'stall' it turns that he perpetrated on us all).

Of course, it is your right to do this (ignore the other half of the coin) to bolster your argument and your 'case'. A weak and dishonest practice - but your right in the end ...

94 posted on 07/29/2002 8:34:53 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: meenie
I agree. I heard Trafficant on Imus this morning. He got cut off for saying "they can go f--- themselves". Imus then was going to let him back on but he "Trafficant" hung up when he could not say what he wanted.
Jim's biggest problem now is his all consuming anger. He needs someone who can sort this nonsense without antagonizing everyone in the process.
95 posted on 07/29/2002 8:35:25 PM PDT by det dweller too
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To: bok
Ruby Ridge was a terrible and henious act by the government along with waco.
AND so the obfuscation continues, fed by militia-borne web-sites hawking their version of events ...

It's absolutely incredulous that these 'sites' tell *only* ONE side of the story, as if they were blind to reality and human nature and what criminals are actually capable of.

A dishonest and disingenuous practice, unfit for patriots and those with a *real* taste for the truth ...

96 posted on 07/29/2002 8:39:34 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: exodus
I brought up Waco, yes. Our government committed premeditated murder there, murder planned and orchestrated at the highest levels of our government.
THAT'S what you've been told - by a group (and groups) with their OWN agendas to promote.

NEVER MIND that McNulty and crew assembled video footage OUT OF SEQUENCE according to real events.

NEVER MIND that he and his crew became known and gained fame because of 'very loose' playing with what he deemed to be 'the facts'.

Producing hte kind of propaganda like he produced would have made Goebels proud ... and when the soft-headed in America lap that kind of dribble up - I just *know* it's over for logic in America.

It's time to head back to the caves and start over -

- as MANKIND has FAILED in the use of his intellect and finally allowed his HEART to be won over by sheer emotionalism via video-producing con-artists out to make money damning the real facts all the while ...

97 posted on 07/29/2002 8:47:30 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: PJ-Comix
French Socialist Prime Minister, Mitterand, was a very willing collaborator in the Vichy Government for the Germans

Arent you aware that some of our allies in WWII were members of the Vichy French government? We didnt like De Gaulle and forced him to form war governments with at least two separate vichy leaders during the war.

98 posted on 07/29/2002 9:05:54 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: exodus
The government massacre of the Davidians was planned well in advance. They even lied and said that the Davidians were selling drugs, in order to justify bringing in the military

Did they fly in on Black Helicoptors with guys in little blue helmets? Are these the same guys that ordered the assasinations of JFK, Reagan, the Pope, etc?

99 posted on 07/29/2002 9:11:19 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Travis McGee
You are one gullible sap

And you are a big time sucker. Want to buy a bridge?

100 posted on 07/29/2002 9:14:14 PM PDT by Dave S
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