Posted on 07/29/2002 7:23:19 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Then why not publish the report exonerating Judge Wells' husband. I do know ANOTHER lawyer has made the same sort of allegations against Charles Clark (hubby of Judge Wells) prior to Traficant's allegations. If it is indeed shown that Clark had business dealings with one or more of the prosecution team, then this case MUST be overturned on appeal.
I think you try too hard to make your case. From what Ive read Hulshof didnt say that the lack of evidence proved his guilt, he merely said you had to depend on testimony from those offering up the bribes because Trafficant wasnt going to be dumb enough to accept certified checks for payment. From his recent behavior during the trial and subsequent, Im not so sure. Trafficant may be that dumb!
Oh, PJ-Comix, can't you see? THERE'S NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST HULSHOF EITHER!!! HE MUST HAVE BEEN IN ON IT!!! DID HE REALLY THINK HE'D GET AWAY WITH IT?!?!?!
So did Demjanjuk work for the Germans? Probably, but not as some dedicated Nazi. What is little understood is that many folks in Occupied Europe were employed by the Germans as either slave or paid laborers. Thousands of Frenchmen were hired by the Germans to build the Atlantic Wall. Does this mean they were Nazi collaborators? Certainly some were but most were just out to make a living and survive the war. I think Demjanjuk fell into this latter category. (BTW, former French Socialist Prime Minister, Mitterand, was a very willing collaborator in the Vichy Government for the Germans). I am pretty good at detecting who enthusiastic collaborators were and who were just shmoes trying to survive the War and, to me, Demjanjuk was in the latter category. Many neo-Nazi sites take up the cause of Demjanjuk but this came about because of the STUPIDITY of the Justice Department trying to frame him as Ivan the Terrible, when the fact is he was just a low level worker whose "crimes" amounted to much less that the former Prime Minister of France (Mitterand), who worked for the Germans at a much higher level.
Anyway, the Demjanjuk case proves that the Justice Department does have a history of FRAMING people and ironically one of the few who stood up for Demjanjuk was Traficant. Most likely the worst that Traficant is guilty of is having some of his staffers, while visiting him on the farm, help out in a friendly way with pitching hay or some other minor activity that the Feds converted into some major crime.
It sure sounded that way to me. As to depending on testimony, they sure used a lot of witnesses who were simultaneously trying to get their sentences reduced in other cases. But with all this "corrupt activity" by Traficant, why not ONE piece of wiretap voice evidence or any other PHYSICAL evidence. Weak case and it if shown that Judge Wells' husband had business dealings with one or more of the prosecution team, then the case MUST be overturned.
HeHeee! Is that the burned envelopes they produced as "evidence"?
Dang! I hate it when fingerprints are burned off.
I have notes but don't want to look it up. Mr.Detore paid his lawyers $450,000 and then the one that told him in Feb. 2001, that the "administration wants him out", quit him, without telling him. he said they kept asking him (Detore) if he knew what Traficant had said about Janet Reno. He didn't know what they were talking about.
Did you hear that?
To: PJ-Comix
“…The gentleman from Ohio has referenced the lack of evidence and the quality of evidence. Is there anybody in this Chamber who believes that the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Traficant ) could be captured incriminating himself on tape?
Should we, in this case or any other case, reward a wrongdoer because he has the wherewithal to avoid being captured in the act? Shall a clever criminal who has enriched himself at taxpayer expense be further enriched because he almost avoided detection?”…
# 52 by toenail
Let’s re-word that, shall we, toenail?
“Should we let a criminal go, just because we have no evidence that he’s guilty?”
Congressman Kenny Hulshof thinks that we shouldn’t. Congressman Kenny Hulshof believes that if we know a man is guilty, we should convict him. Evidence isn’t important, what’s important is that we know he’s guilty.
Congressman Hulshof asked that question before the full House, thereby giving his opinion that there was no real evidence against Traficant.
Congressman Hulshof also said that members shouldn't let the fact that there was no evidence influence their vote.
That doesn’t sound like a “conservative” Congressman to me.
By your logic, the government-ordered murder of the Branch Davidians was okay, because the government was declared (by the government) to be innocent of wrongdoing.Yes, anyone with half a brain knows the government didn’t order any such thing. The Branch Davidians lit the fire so they go out in their blaze of glory, kind of like Islamic terrorists would in a similar situation.
- exodus
Boy, that’s a relief, Dave S.
I don’t have to worry about that anymore.
Tell me, was the government equally blameless of the Ruby Ridge murders? Was the FBI innocent of doctoring the evidence against the four Boston men falsely convicted of murder, and then imprisoned for 30 years? Were the Chinese donations to our government just an innocent little misunderstanding? Was Bill Clinton vilified just because he had an affair? Is organizing citizens to spy upon their neighbors just an extension of the American dream?
Sorry, I don’t buy your excuses, Dave S. The government massacre of the Davidians was planned well in advance. They even lied and said that the Davidians were selling drugs, in order to justify bringing in the military.
Arresting David Koresh was not the purpose of the raid. Illegal weapons were not the purpose of the raid. Child abuse was not the reason for the raid, and neither were drugs.
The purpose of the raid on the Davidians was the BAFT needed or wanted more funding. It was called "Operation Showtime" and they called out the TV News to be sure that the attack would be televised. It was a publicity stunt, and a publicity stunt must be dramatic to work it's magic.
Telling David Koresh "You're under arrest" just wouldn't be dramatic enough if Koresh responded with "Okay, I'm ready to go."
Our government went to Waco intending to commit murder. Murder is what they did.
I won’t forget that, and I don’t forgive them.
To: PJ-Comix
IMHO Trafficant, much like Clinton and Condit, may have had some good points (which I doubt) but like them he had a self control problem that led him to this place.
It explains his defense of Condit and his NO vote on impeachment of Clinton. The man fails to see the TRUTH as he is busily searching for excuses.
# 4 by OldFriend
Excuses? I heard Traficant giving very convincing evidence.
Well, I can see why you don’t need evidence, OldFriend. You’re a mind reader.
What “self-control” problem? There was no evidence of wrong-doing. Traficant is innocent.
Ron Paul said that he saw strong evidence of government violations in the evidence he went over. Still, Ron Paul refused to vote “no.” Ron Paul voted “present.” I guess Paul isn’t as brave as I thought he was. Ron Paul didn’t have the courage to go against the bi-partisan leadership.
Tell me, Swami. Why did Condit vote against removal? Isn’t it funny that the only member with nothing to lose cast the only “no” vote?
There is no doubt in my mind that the justice system failed in this caseI disagree.
- OldFriend
That’s exactly what happened, Travis McGee.
Once again, our government has made a public statement.
That statement is, ‘If you try to fight us, we will destroy you.”
Oh, pleazze! Give me a break! Does a sow need to be taught how to eat slop? Does Congress need a Traficant to tarnish it? I don't think so. Unbelivable hypocrites. How do they manage to sleep at night?
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