Posted on 07/29/2002 7:23:19 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Very well huh? On how many counts was he convicted?
Use of the National Guard for law enforcement is not illegal under Posse Commitatus, only use of federal troops except in time of emergency or war. Government legally used regular army troops to help put down the LA riots ten years ago.
Which collaborated with the Germans. Any one of those Vichy officials were more complicit collaborators than Demjanjuk who was just a low level shmoe trying to survive the War.
Yes, he kidnapped my pet squirrel while he was my houseguest.
Why do you consider your government too good to frame a man that fought against governmental abuses?I believe that my government is capable of framing a man that fought against governmental abuses. With Mr. Traficant, no framing was necessary.
- exodus
I say again, Mr. Bird, you did not watch the Ethics Committee hearings.
How do I know??
You still think Traficant is guilty. If you had seen Traficant’s documented physical evidence, and heard Richard Detore’s testimony, you would know that Traficant was innocent of all charges, and was in fact illegally targeted by the FBI, the IRS, and the Justice Department.
Here is the link to C-Span’s videos of the hearings.
You’ll need RealPlayer to watch them.
It's not paranoia when people are really out to getcha.
I'm sure I'm the dozenth poster to say that this morning.
To: exodus
You can copy text in Acrobat Reader.
Click the "T" on the toolbar to activate the "Text Select Tool".
Highlight the text and copy away.
This is with AR 5.0, older versions also have this capability.
Copy-paste away!
# 85 by Sledge
Thank you, Sledge!!!
It worked, just as you said.
I was even able to select ALL the text of the Acrobat Reader document, 219 pages, by using the hotkey Ctrl+A, then Ctrl+C to copy, and then paste the text into Word.
You’ve made me extremely happy, my friend.
Again, I thank you.
I submit that there is NO exonerating evidence. Zero. Screw the link to the video, that ain't the trial.
"Screw the facts! I'll believe the show trial."
The guy was tried and convicted. He didn't help his case by defending himself, and his prior shenanigans most certainly played a role in the minds of the jurors, whether that is proper or not. You'd think this would be a perfect opportunity for Larry Klayman to expose the entire Congress, but he seems to be steering clear. Same with every other watchdog.
Poor Traficant, all he needed to do was log onto Free Republic and have his sympathizers defend him in court. Clearly you guys are all better than the resources he had available to himself.
We shall see.... And Traficant WILL be BAAAAAACK---In Congress. So I hope they keep the squirrel food on hand in that Chamber. Traficant's hairpiece is a hungry critter!
To: Mr. BirdTo: exodus
I say again, Mr. Bird, you did not watch the Ethics Committee hearings.
How do I know??
You still think Traficant is guilty. If you had seen Traficant’s documented physical evidence, and heard Richard Detore’s testimony, you would know that Traficant was innocent…”
# 106 by exodus
What did I say??
You haven’t seen the evidence, so your opinion is based on nothing but hearsay and your belief that your government would never lie to you.
You’re wrong also, there is a consensus among those who actually watched the Ethics Committee hearings. We believe that Traficant is innocent, and that the government manufactured evidence, and that the prosecutors in the trial, and the judge, went out of their way to deny Traficant a chance to defend himself. We believe that the FBI, IRS, and the Justice Department really were out to get Traficant, and that they used tyrannical methods to do so.
On the C-Span forums, where everyone commenting had seen the hearings, the vast majority of posters believe Traficant innocent, and believe Traficant’s assertions of governmental corruption.
I say again, and you would know if you had watched the hearings, that there was no evidence of wrong-doing by Traficant, and overwhelming evidence that the government violated every protection he had the right to expect as a citizen. The government actually manufactured evidence against Traficant.
Please, watch the videos. I guarantee, even with you going in convinced that Traficant is guilty, you’ll come out believing in him, and believing in his innocence.
OK OK OK! I give up, I'll watch the videos. Remember though, the posters on the C-Span forums are self-selecting, and hardly a representative sample of the overall opinions on the hearings.
And please remember that I conceded the point that my government could and would lie to me. They have proven that over time.
To: Dave STo: bok
The government used Alabama National Guard and hardware during the siege at Waco. Is that legal? …
# 93 by bok
The governor of Texas calls out the Texas National Guard.
The Alabama National Guard operating in Texas is a Federal military force, and is illegal under Posse Comitatus without a federally declared State of Emergency.
“OK OK OK! I give up, I'll watch the videos…”
# 114 by Mr. Bird
Great!
I look forward to your comments.
I certainly would pay you for them.
OUR OWN GOVERNMENT USED, AGAINST OUR OWN CITIZENS, TOXIC GASSES THAT ARE NOT LEGAL TO USE IN WARFARE WITH ANOTHER NATION.
I will repeat that. We used, against our own citizens, toxic gasses that are illegal to use against other nations in warfare.
that is a fact, and you can do a minimal amount of research to back that up.
And they died from inhaling this gas, right? Wrong. You stand a much better chance of living a long life if you dont fire on federal agents.
To: Mr. BirdTo: exodus
“…I brought up Waco, yes. Our government committed premeditated murder there, murder planned and orchestrated at the highest levels of our government.
I could bring up Ruby Ridge, too. That was also a case of premeditated murder…”
# 49 by exodus
_Jim, I watched the footage live. I remember being told, “The Davidians are shooting at us!!” I remember seeing the federal troops hiding behind the motor vehicles, vehicles with glass windows. I remember wondering how the Davidians were able to lay down such a murderous barrage, while avoiding putting a hole in even one single piece of that glass.
Before the ”Rules of Engagement” documentary expounded on the evidence, the evidence was there. We knew that murder was being committed, even while we were watching it live on television.
Don’t blame our belief on McNulty’s documentary. The world premiere of his film took place in 1997. That was four years after the murders. McNulty made his documentary to publicize the available evidence; to tell those who had not been paying attention what our government was guilty of.
Of course the ”Rules of Engagement” documentary showed footage out of sequence. That’s called editing. It’s done to make a point. The footage still shows gunfire going into the Davidian’s home.
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