Who am I to tell Christians to stop supporting government education?

RazorMouth ^ | 7/28/02 | Jim Babka

[ohioWfan]

Hey, I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say, mr. op. You've said the same things over and over and over and over ad nauseum, and you're still wrong. Peace.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

There are homeowner exemptions available that will reduce assessed value and thus property taxes. I suggest that you figure out a way to legislate school tax exemptions on property. It's the only way that you will achieve your utopian solution to the taxing situation.

I have no desire to attempt to create a checker-board patchwork of tax exemptions. My goal is simply to alert Christians to the fact that the Eighth Commandment has -- contrary to modern opinion -- not yet been repealed, remains in force, and is still the guiding Law for all Christians on questions of Property. Not every "christian" loves Jesus, of course; many false "christians" do not love Jesus, and demonstrate it in their lack of love for His Laws.

But, if every true Christian who loves the Law of the Lord resolves to withdraw their children and their support from the Government Schooling system, the entire monstrosity will collapse... and then, of course, Property Taxes will be lower for everyone.

If responsible Christian and Jewish parents did this all over America tomorrow, it would set off a revolution in this country. Gone would be the multi-billion-dollar Department of Education boondoggle. Gone would be the condom education. Gone would be the sexual propaganda and the moral relativism. No way tens of millions of parents are going to continue to be soaked in taxes for schools they don't use. Not only will your children be liberated, the whole country would be.

It will be like the collapse of the Soviet Union – hundreds of millions of people freed overnight.
~~ (Joseph Farah, editor-in-chief WorldNetDaily.com, "The Pledge Ruling" 6-27-02)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You've said the same things over and over and over and over ad nauseum, and you're still wrong. Peace.

Interestingly, both adulterers and thieves think that "moralists" are "wrong" to tell them they should stop committing adultery, or thievery.

If you enjoy breaking the Law of God, anyone who tells you to stop is going to be "wrong" in your eyes. I guarantee it.

[RGSpincich]

I have no desire to attempt to create a checker-board patchwork of tax exemptions.

But you want certain people exempt from school district assessments. How do you suppose that is going to happen?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Do they teach this "german" irrelevance at the school you attend, son? It seems to be used often by your schoolmates.

I'm embarassed to have to be the one to point this out, but... in the midst of your tedentious pedantry, you, um, completely neglected to actually offer any kind of logical argument.

Um... yet again, that is. (Oops!!)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

But you want certain people exempt from school district assessments. How do you suppose that is going to happen?

I said nothing of the sort.

I said that Christians should withdraw their children from a System of Institutionalized Theft, and should vote to abolish a System of Institutionalized Theft.

You seem to be suffering a rather odd mental confusion between the terms "Exemption", and "Abolition".

Neither Slavery nor Government Schooling should be practiced in a patch-work of locales and exempted from a patchwork of other locales. Since both Slavery and Government-Schooling are intrinsically satanic institutions, the Christian Moral Position is to advocate the ultimate abolition of such Systems of Institutionalized Theft.

Christians must advocate the A-B-O-L-I-T-I-O-N of the intrinsically-satanic Government Schooling system. Is that clear, yet?

[ohioWfan]

Please reread my post #209 to you, and pray about it. You are in deep water spiritually, and your false judgements of others are a revelation of the spiritual vacuum inside of you.

I'm not coming back to reply to you again, as it would be an exercise in futility, but I will pray that you come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ some day.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Please reread my post #209 to you, and pray about it. You are in deep water spiritually, and your false judgements of others are a revelation of the spiritual vacuum inside of you. I'm not coming back to reply to you again, as it would be an exercise in futility, but I will pray that you come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ some day. 287 posted on 7/31/02 10:14 AM Pacific by ohioWfan

OhioWfan, since you do not Love the Commandments of Jesus, why would you believe that He honors your prayers?

Jesus already knows that you do not love Him; you call the Keeping of His Law "hateful" to you, and you enjoy using force to deprive Jesus' Followers of their money for their children's education, so that you can have more money for your children's education and they will have less -- "reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed". And you dare to call advocacy of the Eighth Commandment "pathetic", "false", and "a spiritual vaccuum".

If you Love Me, you will keep My Commandments. ~~ Jesus.
Thou Shalt Not Steal ~~ Jesus.

[RGSpincich]

I see that you now favor a total collapse of the public school system. How convenient. That's not what you said earlier. You were just concerned that "non-users" were funding the public schools. You're nuttier than I thought.

[oldcodger]

Thank you for your posts, ohioWfan. For some to call school taxes a form of theft really boggles my mind.

My children attended a Christian school when we lived in Tennessee. When we moved to Texas, we couldn't afford a private school and home schooling was out of the question. I thank God that there were other Christians in the public school system.

By the way, I'm a Presbyterian. I'm a sinner saved by the grace of God, who appreciates other Christians on this forum.

Thanks again, ohioWfan. I just want to encourage you in your posts.

[ohioWfan]

Thank you! The encouragement of fellow believers is priceless under the attack of the enemy, so word words are sweet to me.

I too am a Presbyterian, though only recently, having been raised as a Baptist, and find it discouraging that one so filled with pride and disdain for others is using not only the name of a denomination, but of the almighty God, and His Son, Jesus to spread his hatred of those who differ from his views. It is so opposed to Scripture that it's frightening, IMO.

Thanks again!

[ohioWfan]

Oops! That's supposed to be your words are sweet to me! LOL!

[Miss Lemon]

ALRIGHT, PLEASE HUMOR ME BY CITING THE "SOUND MORAL BASIS" FOR A GOVERNMENT-SCHOOLER PARENT TO TELL HIS HOME-SCHOOLING NEIGHBOR, "YOU SHOULD BE COMPELLED BY FORCE TO GIVE ME YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION-MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE MY GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS; IT IS MORALLY GOOD THAT I SHOULD TAKE YOUR MONEY BY FORCE SO THAT I WILL HAVE MORE MONEY WITH WHICH TO EDUCATE MY CHILDREN AND YOU WILL HAVE LESS." (Sorry for caps, I don't know how to use italics.)

A person who sends a child to public school does not "compel homeschooling neighbors" to do anything. Taxes are required by your state and local governments to support public schools, and whether you like it or not, that's not going to change. There is a price to citizenship and we all have to pay it. Instead of being judgmental of others who are trying to do something positive in the public schools, you should try doing something positive - like stop mindless criticism.

GIVE ME JUST ONE CHAPTER AND VERSE FOR THIS ALLEGED "SOUND MORAL BASIS". JUST ONE. I'LL BE WAITING.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." Matt. 22:21

If Jesus was willing to meet His civil obligations - like paying taxes - to a corrupt and Godless country are you prepared to follow His example? If not, then you really aren't an Orthodox Presbyterian.

Some people like to argue just for the sake of argument and I think you're one of them. I'm not; I only intend to participate if I have something to contribute.

Have a nice day!

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

For some to call school taxes a form of theft really boggles my mind.

You want to forcibly take money from fellow Christians for your own children's education, leaving them less able to provide for their own children's education. You advocate and support this policy.

That's theft.

[ohioWfan]

To use italics, you do the same thing you do to separate paragraphs, only instead of using a "p," you use an "i"

That should work!

Thanks again for your thoughtful posts! And I'm having a great day! Hope you are too!

[Miss Lemon]

Thanks, ohioWfan. I've been lurking for over a year and enjoyed your posts and many others, especially during the election turmoil. The daily dose isn't hard to take either.

I'll be jumping in now and again when I think someone is taking an unfair beating. The libertarians here are fierce.

[ohioWfan]

And usually miserable too.

Jump in on the Dose. It's a blast!

[Jerry_M]

If you would go back and read the entire thread, you will notice that OPie has effectively dealt with your misuse of Matthew 22:21, not once, but several times.

Quit advocating theft. Greater still, quit attributing your penchant for theft to Christ.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Check the HTML BootCamp link in my bookmarks for help with italics, etc.

A person who sends a child to public school does not "compel homeschooling neighbors" to do anything. Taxes are required by your state and local governments to support public schools, and whether you like it or not, that's not going to change. There is a price to citizenship and we all have to pay it. Instead of being judgmental of others who are trying to do something positive in the public schools, you should try doing something positive - like stop mindless criticism.

No, it is not "the price of citizenship", and we do not "have to pay it". In a Republic, we can vote to Obey the Law of God rather than Disobey it, you know.

It is immoral for you to forcibly deprive Home-Schoolers and Private-Schoolers of their money for their children's education so that your children's Government School will have more money for your children's education. You do NOT "have" to support immorality. You CAN vote against this immorality. Honest, you can!!

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." Matt. 22:21

We are to render unto Caesar that which is his. Anything more, is Stealing from our Neighbor.

Now... what is Caesar's?

• Does Caesar have a Right to be compensated for punishing housebreakers? Of course. Caesar has a duty to punish Crime (Rom 13:1-10), and has a right to Taxes for that purpose.
• Does Caesar have a Right to be compensated for defending against invaders? Of course. Caesar has a duty to punish Murder (Gen 9:6, Rom. 13) - including foreign murderers - and has a right to Taxes for that purpose.

• Does Caesar have a RIGHT to ownership of your neighbor's children, for eight hours a day, five days a week, to indoctrinate as he pleases??

Of course not. And if you say that Caesar DOES NOT have this Right, then to compel your Neighbor to pay for such "services" as if Caesar did have such a "right" is to compel your Neighbor to render unto Caesar that which is not Caesar's.

That's THEFT. It is a direct and unmitigated violation of the Eighth Commandment... period.

If Jesus was willing to meet His civil obligations - like paying taxes - to a corrupt and Godless country are you prepared to follow His example? If not, then you really aren't an Orthodox Presbyterian.

I'm willing to meet my Civil Obligations -- but I am not willing to behave as if Caesar has a "right" to my neighbor's children and their education, and that my neighbor must therefore "render unto caesar" for that which is not caesar's.

Some people like to argue just for the sake of argument and I think you're one of them. I'm not; I only intend to participate if I have something to contribute.

I am arguing that if you are in a room with four other families families, and your family with three others vote that everybody should put $10 in a hat towards the purchase of Pornography and one family votes against it, and you take that family's money anyway, you have just committed Theft. Sure, you can offer him free use of your pornography; but he didn't want it in the first place and you took his money by Force.

Anytime you take someone's money by force for a purpose not expressly justified in the Bible, you have committed Theft.

Just because you are uncomfortable that someone is exposing your theft, does not mean taht "one is just arguing for the sake of arguing". I submit that you are trying to rationalize away an argument that makes you uncomfortable, because you do not wish to commit to ending your own Theft.

[ProudAmerican2]

Anytime you take someone's money by force for a purpose not expressly justified in the Bible, you have committed Theft.

What verses in the Bible justifies taxation for a military, judicial system, road building, weather forcasting, the space program, or snow clearing?