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To: FormerLurker
The CIA video and the NTSB video are not the same. The NTSB zoom data does not include a climb to 3000'. The CIA's does. Boeing made their statement concerning the CIA video about one month before the NTSB video was shown. They made no similar statement about the NTSB video. You have no idea what data the CIA used from the NTSB. All of that is irrelevent, however, with regard to JF's multiple assertionst that Boeing made a statement about the NTSB video. They did not. JF is not telling the truth.

Lets make this simple...answer the following question with a yes or no:
Did Boeing make any statement about the NTSB video?

503 posted on 08/10/2002 11:10:01 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
The moderators have already removed one of your libelous posts. Would you like them to remove another? Or perhaps suspend your privileges, if you persist? I suggest you REFRAIN from asserting that I am a liar.
504 posted on 08/10/2002 11:24:23 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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To: Rokke
The CIA video and the NTSB video are not the same.

That much is obvious..

The NTSB zoom data does not include a climb to 3000'. The CIA's does.

Right, instead the NTSB video includes a 1500 foot climb, which is also impossible.

Boeing made their statement concerning the CIA video about one month before the NTSB video was shown. They made no similar statement about the NTSB video. You have no idea what data the CIA used from the NTSB.

However true your remark concerning the time frame between the Boeing statement and the NTSB video might be, it has no relevence to the validity of the zoom climb theory.

Although I might not have any idea exactly WHAT data the NTSB used for the video, it still stands that the CIA based its video on data and conclusions from the NTSB..

From FOIA Appeal to NTSB General Manager from Capt. Ray Lahr :

We do know that Boeing publicly denied any knowledge of the data and conclusions used by the CIA in its nationally televised cartoon of the zoom-climb. We also know that the CIA received its data and conclusions from the NTSB.

Lets make this simple...answer the following question with a yes or no:
Did Boeing make any statement about the NTSB video?

As far as I know, no they didn't. HOWEVER, that has zero relevance to the validity of the NTSB zoom-climb theory, which is physically impossible.

505 posted on 08/10/2002 12:03:10 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Rokke
Did Boeing make any statement about the NTSB video?

Now to answer more in realistic terms, I have no idea if they did or didn't.

506 posted on 08/10/2002 12:05:43 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Rokke
JUST EXACTLY WHAT IS THE NTSB VIDEO?

...the FBI released a CIA produced animation that depicted the official crash sequence. This animation suggested that the streak of light reported by eyewitnesses was actually the plane itself, rising sharply after losing its forward section. Shortly thereafter at the NTSB public hearings into the tragedy, a similar animation was released by the NTSB. It too, showed F800 rising sharply, early in the alleged crash sequence. As explained within the respective animations, the CIA and NTSB believed that a weight imbalance, created by the loss of the plane's forward section, caused F800 to climb sharply. Each agency attributes this climb to the streaking object observed by eyewitnesses. However, these agencies based their findings on speculation, rather than evidence. Neither the CIA nor the NTSB interviewed a single eyewitness in connection with the production of either animation, nor did the animations approach to portray the actual RADAR data.

The CIA Animation:

Details of the CIA analysis involved in the production of the agency's animation are not publicly available. Five days prior to the NTSB public hearing, the FBI requested that discussion concerning the CIA animation be banned. What is known is that the CIA concluded the aircraft gained approximately 3,000 feet in altitude following the loss of its forward section, that no eyewitnesses were contacted during the production, and a related NTSB analysis discounts the possibility of such a climb. Indeed, the maximum climb considered in the original NTSB analysis (Exhibit 22C) is 1,300 feet. The CIA animation did not account for the radar data, which showed a northward turn during the crash, as discussed in NTSB Exhibit 22C, "...the radar data indicates that the aircraft turned North [left] of the pre-event course line."

The NTSB Animation:

Many inconsistencies surround the NTSB animation. At the NTSB public hearing, the aircraft was alleged to have climbed a maximum of 1,500 feet, but Chairman Hall has since stated that the aircraft probably climbed between 1,200 and 3,200 feet. The NTSB animation shows a climb of approximately 3,400 feet, while a maximum climb of 1,300 feet was determined by NTSB simulations in exhibit 22C. Then, in January of 2000--and after these inconsistencies were detailed by Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO) to House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Duncan--the NTSB released Addendum 22D which shows a maximum climb of ~3,000 feet and conflicts with conclusions of the original Exhibit 22C. And most important, the only tangible evidence (RADAR data), analyzed in NTSB exhibit 13A and relevant to the main wreckage flight path, is inconsistent with all official "zoom-climb" scenarios. http://www.flight800.org/altitude.HTM

507 posted on 08/10/2002 12:10:32 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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To: Rokke
Again Rokke, you still haven't answered my question as to why do YOU think the CIA was involved with the now discredited TWA 800 zoom-climb video? And you are allowed to answer with something other than yes or no.
511 posted on 08/10/2002 12:43:09 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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