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To: JohnFiorentino
"NOW MY DEAR ASMODEUS, WE ALL KNOW TOBIN REACHED HIS "CONCLUSIONS" in Sept. 1996.....NOT 1997".

Informed conclusions. Just as Kreindler & Kreindler arrived at their informed conclusions shortly thereafter.

343 posted on 08/04/2002 11:14:48 AM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Kreindler's Hasty Conclusions Matched Tobins

Lee Kreindler ’49 shares his Park Avenue office in New York with a couple of Boeing 747 fuel pumps that Kreindler & Kreindler’s aviation experts tested in the Mojave Desert a while back. The pumps were shown to contain six defects, any one of which could potentially bring down an airliner. Kreindler believes that’s what happened to TWA 800 on the night of July 17, 1996, when it exploded off Long Island, killing all 230 people on board. And that’s what he told "Larry King Live" two days after the crash, when nearly anyone with an opinion—including Boeing and TWA—was trumpeting the theory that the plane had been destroyed by a missile or bomb.

Having secured $500 million in passenger claims in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am 103, Kreindler confidently countered the prevailing wisdom about the crash of TWA 800. "The Lockerbie bomb brought Pan Am 103 down because it exploded at 32,000 feet in high winds," he says. "It punched a small hole in the fuselage, and that permitted the winds to tear the structure apart. TWA 800 exploded at 13,700 feet in calm weather. It would have taken a huge bomb to bring that plane down, and the larger the bomb, the more difficult it is to smuggle onto a plane. So we felt from the very beginning that we were looking at mechanical or structural failure."

http://www.courttv.com/legaldocs/business/twa800.html

On July 17, 1996, at approximately 8:45 p.m., about eleven minutes after TWA flight 800 took off from Kennedy Airport, a mechanical, structural and/or electrical failure occurred aboard the subject Boeing 747, causing a limited explosion of the center fuel cell of the aircraft, followed by chain reaction structural failures and fires, causing the plane to break up in mid-air. The center fuel cell explosion caused burning fuel vapors to travel through the vent lines of the right wing and out of the right wing tip; the burning vapors then began to extinguish and receded back toward the aircraft fuselage; as a result, ground eyewitnesses saw a streak of light heading toward the aircraft which was in some accounts mistaken for a missile.

(Apparently Kreindler couldn't even get the time right, placing the IE at 8:45pm)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/21/twa/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kreindler makes some very hasty and unsupported conclusions VERY EARLY ON, in what would turn out to be a four year sojurn for NTSB.

Kreindler's reasonings re: the "size" of the bomb are inaccurate and misleading, as his his comparison to the Lockerbie disaster.

Kreindler, at the same time, is most happy to accept that a "low-yield" overpressure event in the CWT was quite capable of causing the subsequent disintegration of the aircraft. An "explosion" no one has been able to pinpoint either it's initial location within the CWT, nor offer evidence as to the initiating event for that explosion.

NTSB SENIOR METALLURGIST JAMES WILDEY

To show it has indeed found the cause of the crash, the NTSB has identified a breakup sequence that it says led in two or three seconds from the center tank explosion to disintegration of the aircraft, specifically when the nose and first-class section fell off. But although its investigators determined which parts of the tank were damaged in the initial explosion, not all those features were included in the scenario developed by the Sequencing Group. In addition, the group made no progress toward identifying where in the tank the explosion may have begun, admitted senior metallurgist James Wildey in his summary to the Sequencing Report. The breakup sequence, then, remains merely a best guess for the order in which things happened.


347 posted on 08/04/2002 6:15:54 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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To: Asmodeus
ASMODEUS SAYS:

"although the absence of any credible eyewitness support for the re-creation videos is evidence that the fiery events in them are inaccurately depicted, it is not evidence that the rest of the sequence of events including the loss of the nose section and the so called "zoom climb" depicted in them is inaccurate".

I say:

Where is your EVIDENCE of a "zoom-climb?" (Please do not post any tripe from either CIA or NTSB)

Please elucidate for the readers by identifying the SOURCE of YOUR data upon which you state the "zoom-climb" as postulated by CIA and NTSB happened, IN FACT.

348 posted on 08/04/2002 6:25:41 PM PDT by JohnFiorentino
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