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Tolerating Intolerance: The Challenge of Fundamentalist Islam in Western Europe
partisanreview ^ | 22 July 2002 | Bruce Bawer

Posted on 07/25/2002 10:53:17 PM PDT by swarthyguy

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1 posted on 07/25/2002 10:53:17 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: knighthawk
Ping.
2 posted on 07/25/2002 10:53:59 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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I really like that last paragraph...JFK
3 posted on 07/25/2002 11:07:30 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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Seem's like a pro gay piece for some reason. Pleading for a break for the Nancy-boyz.
4 posted on 07/25/2002 11:15:05 PM PDT by Winston Smith
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To: swarthyguy
Last paragraph BTTT
5 posted on 07/25/2002 11:33:15 PM PDT by brat
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To: Winston Smith
Yes it does.

But if Europe is really having these muslim problems and are acting as timid as the article describes, it won't be long before they will be having worse problems than we do.
6 posted on 07/25/2002 11:36:04 PM PDT by lizma
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I can only agree with the author. But the tolerance has ended (you saw the articles about the Dutch people and islam). But one day there will be a stand-off between the fundamentalists and the new government, which is no longer willing to forgive everything like the previous socialist/liberal government. Also Denmark has turned the other way. People are sick and tired of all their crimes and excuses.
7 posted on 07/26/2002 3:39:08 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: swarthyguy
Posted yesterday here.

My summary: Some say a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. This is the story of a Euro lefty who is realizing he has been mugged, repeatly, by Islam. While he still hasn't figured it all out (his solutions fall considerably short), it is an incredibly hopeful sign.

8 posted on 07/26/2002 3:47:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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they (Europe) will be having worse problems than we do.

Other than 9/11, they already do. And the Muslims are much more numerous and embedded into their countries.

For an example, look at the gang rapes by young Muslim men of European young women in France, Holland, elsewhere. This kind of thing doesn't get reported much here; you have to be on knighthwawk's ping list to know about it.

9 posted on 07/26/2002 3:50:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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An incredible "must read" bump.

Leni

10 posted on 07/26/2002 5:36:40 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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...Owing partly to different immigration patterns, but partly also to America’s genius for turning immigrants into proudly integrated citizens with realigned loyalties, Muslims in America tend to be more affluent, more assimilated,

This is so true. If in return we get 9/11 accompanied by the silence from the M&M's, we had better wake up!

11 posted on 07/26/2002 10:48:22 AM PDT by mikeIII
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Whoops. Thanks.
12 posted on 07/26/2002 7:28:47 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: lizma; FreedomPoster
I heard that, please allow me:

Group-rape of girl cover up attempt uncovered in Holland
Group-rape of girl cover up in Holland - an update
Group-sexual assault in swimmingpool (in the Netherlands)

The last article is after the Dutch people got tired of the left and the criminals they protect.

13 posted on 07/27/2002 6:16:50 PM PDT by knighthawk
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With the Europeanm birthrate falling, they will only get more of these immigrants.
14 posted on 07/30/2002 1:02:09 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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This section in particular deserves some special attention:

Yet many Muslim youngsters in the Netherlands attend private Islamic academies (many of which receive subsidies from the Dutch state as well as from the governments of one or more Islamic countries). These schools reinforce the Koran-based sexual morality learned at home–one that allows polygamy (for men), that prescribes severe penalties for female adulterers and rape victims (though not necessarily for rapists), and that (in the fundamentalist reading, anyway) demands that homosexuals be put to death. If fundamentalist Muslims in Europe do not carry out these punishments, it is not because they’ve advanced beyond such thinking, but because they don’t have the power.

In other words, by subsidizing Islamic academies that teach & reinforce *anti-democratic,* *anti-freedom* values, the Netherlands is weaving its own shroud. We in the US really need to keep this in perspective as we clamour for vouchers & state subsidization of private schools.

15 posted on 07/30/2002 1:20:51 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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The distance I speak of was certainly striking in Amsterdam, where I resided for a time in a neighborhood–the Oud West–where I grew accustomed to the sight of women in chadors pushing baby carriages...

I've seen plenty of women in full islamic veils (not Iranian chadors, but Arabian peninsula style veiling) pushing baby carriages, with other children in tow, in my own major US city (which is not Detroit). They seem to be lying really low since Sept. 11th, but they are NOT going away!!!!

Fundamentalist Islam is not a race or an ethnicity; it is an ideology. Its critics are not racists, any more than critics of Nazi or Stalinist ideology are racists.

That is a HOME TRUTH that needs to be emphasized, over and over!!!! muslims and their shills and dupes keep spreading the muslim lie that Christian, Jewish, and Hindu anti-islamists are "racists". They are having all too much success spreading that BIG LIE!!!!

16 posted on 07/30/2002 5:06:56 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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UNless we classify islam as an ideology intent on worldwide domination, they will continue to use our freedoms against us. The voucher issue for islamic schools will become a juicy one; best way is to preserve the private/public seperation.
17 posted on 07/30/2002 5:30:04 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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I agree, but I am afraid we are a definite minority among conservatives.
18 posted on 07/31/2002 12:13:46 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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Fascinating and very-scary article written from the Leftist perspective. Finally, these dopes are wising up, for the Islamists' first target will always be the liberals.
19 posted on 07/31/2002 12:16:01 PM PDT by andy_card
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BTTT
20 posted on 07/31/2002 12:20:45 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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