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To: Sam Cree
Wasn't the anti communist Left pro communist before they found out about the atrocities committed by Josef Stalin?

No, there are plenty of non-communist traditions in the left: Anarchism, Democratic Socialism, and the welfare state.

If so, that makes them, as I believe, still sympathetic to the "philosophy" if not the fact of communism. After all, they are believers in socialism. Communism does not really differ much from "socialism," as it is, after all, a type of socialism.

You should read up on the actual actions of the Communist part and their fronts. They murdered thousands of non-Communist leftists. There is no greater conflict than internicine ones where one side is totalitarian in nature.

55 posted on 07/26/2002 10:50:24 AM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew
Thank you for your replies to my replies. It sounds like you are much more knowledgable than I concerning the history of the Left.

"You should read up on the actual actions of the Communist part and their fronts. They murdered thousands of non-Communist leftists. There is no greater conflict than internicine ones where one side is totalitarian in nature."

My opinion is that all leftist (socialist) philosophy, if applied, results in a tendency toward totalitarianism or a decrease in individual liberty, which is essentially the same thing. I undersand that many Leftists disagree, while others do agree, but don't make it public, as they wish to reap the rewards of authority. So I would say that there are elements of totalitarianism in any Leftist "side," even if unintentional.

"No, there are plenty of non-communist traditions in the left: Anarchism, Democratic Socialism, and the welfare state."

Nevertheless, there has been and still is considerable sympathy for commmunist regimes in the American Left. Certainly, after Stalin's death, when the truth became public, many Leftists took an anti communist position that they hadn't before.

Regarding Forward, I guess I'm glad to hear that they played a role in preventing unions from going communist during the cold war. But, as they are still actively engaged in the attempt to convert America to a more leftist state, I am unable to summon much admiration for them. Do you know what their position was during the thirties?

"It depends on how you define the Israeli right. "

I don't really define them, however perhaps you could for me, I would take it as a favor. My rabbi once told our congregation, with a smile, that Israel was a socialist state. At the time, that was news to me, but I believe it to be true. In that environment I am pretty unsure of what would be meant by the "Right." If they are anti socialist, then I'm all for them. I've heard Netanyahu speak on the radio a few times and been very favorably impressed.

I'm aware that Israel has been in a "survival" situation for the entire 54 years of its existence though I'm not too sure how that relates to its socialism. I personally despise socialism, yet I find that I am able to hold the highest admiration for Israel, on many levels.

Forgive me for going on so long.

57 posted on 07/26/2002 12:10:32 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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