Jewish rejection of evangelicals rooted in cynicism, ignorance, fear

JTA ^ | 7-16-02 | Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein

[Hila]

Never mind, we as evangelicals will always love Israel - yes it is a command, but deeper than that is our love for Messiah Yeshua, Who came as a Jew and is coming back to step on Israeli territory. We love you Israel, whether our love is understood or not.

[RAT Patrol]

Wow.

[Inyokern]

The "leftward tilt" began only in the mid-1800's, with the rise of the Reform movement. Doctrines of Jewish faith were gradually replaced by liberal/left philosophy.

My impression is that ALL theologically liberal movements, be they Jewish or Christian, tend to be left-wing because the almighty government fills the vacuum created by the removal of Almighty G-d from their theology.

[Mamzelle]

Cal Thomas is syndicated--haven't seen him write for NRO yet.

My instincts about a reapproachment between Jews and Evangelicals is that even pro-Israel liberal Jews will find it harder to leave Temple Beth Hillary than to see Israel destroyed. And the conservative Jews express their thanks to evangelicals, but with a certain aloofness. NOKD.

I'd be surprised to see any increase in Jewish Republicans--the ones so inclined, we already have.

[SolomonSemperFi]

Excellent observations republicman!!!!

[SJackson]

Now Dennis, better take one of your nitroglycerin pills... you're gonna do yourself a mischief getting all frothy.i

Funny, in your week or so here that's about three to five posts of yours either to me or on a thread I've started, and none of them make much sense.

Do you have anything intelligent to say that might make someone take you seriously?

[SJackson]

Considering that Hillary did worse among Jews than she did among either Protestants or Catholics...your crack about 'Temple Beth Hillary' is more than a bit unwarranted. I also don't think you see much 'aloofness' from Jews on this website...I'm confident the switch will manifest itself in the close races in states where there are a significant number of Jews, like the California Governor's race.

You could have added a few more ethnic groups in the Hillary column. The problem, of course, is there aren't many Jews. California, less that 3% of the electorate. We certainly want those votes, but relative to the bandwidth it gets on FR, the importance is overstated.

[SJackson]

meant to include you in 30.

[another cricket]

It's sad that for years they had to endure a bigotry and now they dispense it to another minority group. I think that the Hollyweird faction does play a part in this; I have yet to see a show which features evangelicals as stars and portrays them as anything other than repressed, deceitful, hate-filled hypocrites.

I think you may have hit on something. For some of my Jewish friends I am the only non-Catholic active Christian that they know. When you lack personal knowledge of something it is easy to fear it and believe what is said about it. (Yikes! I sound like a liberal there)

They did not come to me, I had to go to them to break the ice. It didn't start out as outreach I just wanted to take a class on Judaism. I just hope that now when they hear the expression "Evangelical Christian” that they have a real person with a real face to put with it rather then a liberal and media created boogie-man. And in the process I gained a deeper understanding of Christianity so insight was gained by all.

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[SJackson]

I think you may have hit on something. For some of my Jewish friends I am the only non-Catholic active Christian that they know...I just hope that now when they hear the expression "Evangelical Christian” that they have a real person with a real face to put with it rather then a liberal and media created boogie-man.

You have identified a MAJOR part of the problem, and did your friends a great service.

[LostTribe]

> Judaism has been around for 4000 years.

No it hasn't. That is ridiculous and you well know it!

There were no Jews 4,000 years ago, not even any Israelites. Jacob/Israel was not even yet born.

To get your head straightened out about the most basic history, please read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my FR Profile below before responding. Thank You.

[Michael2001]

Thanks for posting. The Israeli Jews have awaken a long time ago, it is time for their American counterparts to do the same.

[Michael2001]

You could have added a few more ethnic groups in the Hillary column. The problem, of course, is there aren't many Jews. California, less that 3% of the electorate. We certainly want those votes, but relative to the bandwidth it gets on FR, the importance is overstated.

The Jewish vote is more than their mere numbers. Unlike many other "minority groups", Jews are well integrated, and they have many non-Jewish yet liberal friends and family. If they switch alliegances, they may take some of those with them

[2sheep]

>There were no Jews 4,000 years ago, not even any Israelites. Jacob/Israel was not even yet born.  To get your head straightened out about the most basic history, please read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my FR Profile below before responding. Thank You.

No, thank you.  This verse is from Thinkin' Gal's post #17 above:

Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off:

I suspect that Alouette is of Judah.  Right now you are sounding like an adversary of Judah.  Re-read the above verse.  Beware provoking the Most High who indeed can make you a lost member of any tribe you pick and cut you off!  Lost forever!

[Alouette]

I suspect that Alouette is of Judah.

Good guess, but actually I am of Levi. :)

[2sheep]

Perhaps you can lay the Law down then.

;)

[ken5050]

Sadly, most American Jews, the reform, liberal wing, can almost be termed secular Jewry..the kind who only goes to temple twice a year..on the High Holy Days, and parks the car one block down from the synogogue so they can display "piety"...they're the same folks who join a temple a year before their son or daughter wil turn 13.....they have no sense of what it means to be a Jew, let alone believe in God, so the Evangelicals, to them, are from another planet...and sadly, we tend to fear that which we do not understand...<P.
Have one question about one of the Rebbe's comments....that evangelicalss with attempt to convert him.....it's my understanding that evangelical Christians, believing that Jews are God's chosen people, therefore Jews are "exempt" from prosyltyzing....(sp?)..I always mess up that word..is this too simplistic an analysis....thanks..