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Tolerating Intolerance: The Challenge of Fundamentalist Islam in Western Europe
Partisan Reviews ^ | 24 jul 02 | Bruce Bawer

Posted on 07/24/2002 7:17:43 AM PDT by white trash redneck

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To: rmlew
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101 posted on 07/25/2002 9:51:18 PM PDT by yianni
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To: rmlew
>A good Christian will want the homosexual to repent.
What does a good anti-Christian bigot do?

During the flurry of threads during the Gay Pride days, one transvestite was taunting Christians saying something like, "When we get in power, it will be off with your heads."  That might give us some idea of what an anti-Christian bigot would do.

102 posted on 07/26/2002 3:33:32 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Travis McGee
"I see China throwing in with the Islamic world."

The Chinese will ally themselves with whoever will benefit China.

Of course they would love to be the world's only superpower and will do whatever it takes to achieve this.

If faced with the overwhelming power of an American-Russian-Indian alliance, that completely disempowered Islam, they would cooperate and, if the alliance made it advantageous to them, would join the alliance.

If they considered it possible to dominate the U.S. and the rest of the world by allying themselves with the Islamic world, they would. In fact, they have been doing this.

If China can overpower the U.S., she can dominate the world. Her actions will depend on whether or not she considers this possible.

The Chinese leaders have considered the U.S. to be decadent and in irreversable decline. If anyone knows the signs of this from grim experience, it's the Chinese!

They became increasingly convinced of this during the 1990's, when Americans twice elected a psychopath to the presidency and generally applauded and laughed at his antics, which inluded purjury, rape, wag-the-dog bombing of other countries; when American political leaders sold military secrets to foreign powers, notably the Chinese! and Americans reacted with indifference; when many other signs of decline and decadence revealed themselves over and over again. One Chinese leader said, "If the American people had the moral authority they think they have, they would have thrown Clinton out."

The American reaction to the September 11 Massacre gave the Chinese reason to pause and reconsider. They are still not convinced that America can overcome her decadence and decline. They are watching carefully and waiting to see.

China's future actions depend mainly on whether or not the U.S. declines, and this depends on whether or not the American people repudiate decadence--essentially "Liberalism"--and remove "Liberal" leaders from power--or not.

If the U.S. declines, China will ally herself with Islam until she destroys the U.S. and the rest of the West, confiscates Siberia, and establishes herself as the world's only dominating power. Then she will take on Islam.

If the U.S. remains strong and powerful, China will accomodate and become cooperative with the West.

103 posted on 07/26/2002 5:31:36 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Greybird
I am a straight man and can speak only for myself, but in response to your posts: I definitely oppose the persecution of homosexuals. Furthermore, these wretched people who picket the funerals of AIDS victims and torment them and their families; the wretches who bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors and others--such people are definitely not Christian, and to claim to do such Satanic things in the name of God is the ultimate blasphemy. To use religious symbolism, such people serve Satan, not God.
104 posted on 07/26/2002 5:50:21 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: 2sheep
Homosexuals will never be a dominant power. Biology prevents it.
105 posted on 07/26/2002 5:53:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast; ATOMIC_PUNK
With government assistance, homosexuals can be your worst nightmare because they are coming for the children.  The government regularly favors the homosexual agenda, denying the rights of parent to their own children.  When children are taken away from parents on false allegations of abuse or whatever, and put in foster homes operated by homosexuals, that is strong evidence for some dominance of homosexual power.  Massachusetts, Florida and Oregon may be the worst in these cases.  Lesbians and sodomites run child services systems in some states and get Federal money for each child, so they have physical enticements as well as monetary ones to lie to whoever they choose for their own nefarious purposes. 

There are many situations where innocent people are false accused and going to jail, or have their children taken from them wrongly.

More than 48,500 American children were taken in 1999 from homes where no abuse or neglect was found. [1] ... Source
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    1  *Child Maltreatment 1999: Reports from the States to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS).

Further, FreeRepublic is loaded with teams of shills who argue such idiotic screeds such as that anyone protesting the corruption in the system is one who supports child abusers.  The shills use skillful arguments and have deceived many.  Hell hath enlarged its mouth.

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106 posted on 07/26/2002 6:15:05 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Just off hand--I can think of one lesbian couple who have a little girl and who are raising her in a happy, wholesome environment. The child is from a war-torn region of Africa. Her life was transformed by her adoption by these two women, who love and care for her. She's very lucky.
107 posted on 07/26/2002 6:39:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian
>I can think of one lesbian couple who have a little girl and who are raising her in a happy, wholesome environment.

LOL!

108 posted on 07/26/2002 6:46:06 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Savage Beast
If the U.S. declines, China will ally herself with Islam until she destroys the U.S. and the rest of the West, confiscates Siberia, and establishes herself as the world's only dominating power. Then she will take on Islam.

This will happen, one catalyst can be a global economic depression which seems likely in the near future, which in turn can be triggered by major acts of terrorism laying our fragile monetary system bare.

109 posted on 07/26/2002 7:52:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
It could happen. It all depends on whether or not the American people wake up in time to repudiate decadence, i.e. "Liberalism".

On the side of America's enemies are the Democrats, who, among other things destructive of America, encourage third world immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly Democrat and keep these people in office. If this trend continues, America will be overwhelmed by these immigrants and the United States will likely fall.

On the other hand, the September 11 Massacre galvanized the American spirit and united Americans as they had not been in decades. It is possible that Americans under seige will unite in a common defense and that this will spur the American economy to unprecedented growth, as World War II did. And furthermore, it may bring the immigrant population into the mainstream, united with the rest of America in the common defense.

110 posted on 07/26/2002 8:46:42 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast
There is yet another possibility. The West could convert to Islam.

This could take the form of Islamic fundamentalism, the Western democracies replaced by Islamic theocracy dominated by the sharia and with the Koran as "constitution".

However, the people of the West, ever inventive, could create a new, secular form of Islam and then export it to existing Islamic theocracies.

Such a secular Islam presumably would outlaw Western practices most offensive to Islam, e.g. sexual promiscuity, and Islamic practices most offensive to the Western mind, e.g. death by stoning, slavery, and the de facto criminalization of rape victims. Presumably it would also include such Western concepts as the seperation of religion and state, constitutional government, freedom of religion and speech, prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, and respect for human rights.

This secularized Islam would come to resemble the secularized Christianity of the 20th century. Westerners might achieve that which Muslims cannot.

There would be little difference in the hostility between secularized and fundamentalist Islam and the present hostility between Muslims and non-Muslims, but the difference would be significant.

For one thing, it would provide for a "Muslim Middle-Class" forming a buffering spectrum between the fundamentalists and the secularists, and it could lead to the evolution of Islam into the modern world. It could also provide for the survival of Western Civilization under the guise of Islam.

I am not recommending this. I do not recommend it. But it another possible scenario.

111 posted on 07/26/2002 9:11:38 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast; Alouette; zhabotinsky; SJackson; Simcha7; Yehuda; Jeremiah Jr; crystalk; dennisw; ...
>There is yet another possibility. The West could convert to Islam.

Well, blither on!  You are a Muslim, aren't you?  If we track the Savage Beast out into daylight, we see your true colors.

Allah = Satan and that means "Submit or we'll murder you."  Ask anyone who is Jewish.

Here is your West converted to Islam:  30 also here:  Dream of the Capturing of Many Women - 1997

112 posted on 07/26/2002 5:46:31 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Savage Beast
But it another possible scenario.

LOL! Did you ever hear of Ockham's Razor? I'm sure though you were being whimsical.

113 posted on 07/26/2002 7:18:06 PM PDT by Lent
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To: white trash redneck
I find it very telling that the Homosexuals/Liberals will denounce fundamentalist ideas of morality in Christianity, yet embrace the fundamentalist ideas of morality in Islam saying that perhaps the spiritual values will be a help against raging capitalism. Yet the laws of Islam are far more harsh.

The very values they are trying to wipe out under the name of God, they embrace under Satan. No matter how they protest they want freedom, they embrace the same laws in slavery. They do not understand the spiritual basis of that slavery, yet passionately embrace their destruction, leading the charge with rainbow banners flying, like lemmings rushing over the cliff.

This is a battle of intent hidden in issues.

After all this time listening to the Palestinians demand they want land, while killing Jews and Christians, then refuse that land, to kill Jews and Christians, I have come to the conclusion that the Issues are just wordy smoke screens for the gullible but the intent is shown by actions not words.

The intent is to destroy the Christians and the Jews, and unite the world under the banner of Satan. The word Diversity is the perfect example: Diversity in the dictionary means to be diverse, to allow all views. But Diversity in the mouths of liberalism means All views EXCLUDING Judeao/Christian ones.

The battle shapes up under a cloud of lies, the smoke screen of the father of lies. But it is a spiritual battle non the less. Most of mankind will pick a banner to follow, a cause to celebrate, few will contemplate the meanings beyond the color of the cloth. The intellectually dishonest will choose a cause that excuses their sin, or pads their pockets over others. Homosexuality, black pride are two examples.

Homosexuality attacks Christianity because Christians do not accept homosexuality. Why should the Homosexuals care? Homosexuals do not accept Christianity either. But under the banner of Diversity they attack Christianity?

Black Pride is about greed. It is about attacking the culture of America to make it bleed perks and cash bonuses because the blacks feel disenfranchised. It is not about America it is about becoming black-American to demand the American part pay. But if Black pride was about the pride of being a human being that was not disenfranchised it would not be called BLACK-pride now would it?

Each and every banner can be examined and most unraveled in seconds if you just follow the sin, greed and power... All banners however are marching in a single direction, away from the teachings of the Bible. Someone observant would notice that there is a direction, but that someone would have to understand the Bible in the first place. What seems to be a plate of spaghetti of conflicting ideas is all buried in the sauce of reality. It is, after all, just a plate of spaghetti.

If you want to see the direction, I suggest one thing. Instead of trying to understand every path of conflicting ideas, just look at them as a whole and deduce the direction they all are going. Instead of trying to embrace and understand the ideas they yell to the winds, just simply look at the ideas they all in common reject. In a thousand to one battle, to understand the one is to understand the thousand, and much easier…
114 posted on 07/26/2002 11:44:19 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: Greybird
One has to wonder at the virulence of some FR posters' opposition to fundamentalist Islam. It seems to be doing an efficient job of eliminating some of the very people, with different sexual orientations, that these posters utterly detest.

That is a knot in a noodle. A seeming contradiction in action, that fundi-rightwingers do not seem to rah-rah the death of homosexuals. The simple answer is that the fundi-rightists do not want to wipe out homos, that is just a banner that the homos wave. The action speaks louder than the retoric doesn't it.

The homosexual cause is a non-cause, how often do you see a Christian Pride march trying to offend homosexual mores? Ever seen a gay pride march?! Talk about trying to offend your neighbor...

Only place I really hear anything against homosexuality is in church, and their they say "hate the sin, love the sinner". They teach that the homosexual is not to be hated, but they are just trapped in sin and need to be helped out of it. Of course all the homosexual radicals say otherwise, but how many of them actualy ever stepped foot into a church?

115 posted on 07/27/2002 12:06:41 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: quebecois
Multiculturalism and uncontrolled third world immigration are ploys being undertaken by our leftist elites to de-culturalize and homogenize western man. Thus homogenized, we will be without those cultural supports that keep us from living without the all-powerful nanny state.

Excellent!

116 posted on 07/27/2002 12:28:24 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: Savage Beast
Your statement is full of assumptions, let me point out a few.

There is no chance that that would happen. Considering the enormity of U.S. military power, for these nations to attack America would be suicide, and they are well aware of it.

America no longer has much of an army. Worse still what army we have, underfunded, poorly equipt that it is, is scattered to the four winds. Tell me, how much army is in America, vs how much of China's and Russias army is consolidated in their countries.

That is what prevented adventurism by the Soviet Union and ultimately lead to the end of the cold war.

Seems to me, the strange predominance of Russian modern arms in Islamic hands and flooding Africa is a clear indication that the Cold war is still quite healthy. And if our military force in America kept Russia from attacking during the cold war, How does the lack of any Homeland defense deter the new Sino/Russian pact against us?

Furthermore, if the American army were destroyed, America's nuclear arsenal would be released, and the world as we know it would end.

Not if a first strike was made on American soil, Remember Clintoon had most of our nukes safely locked up in bunkers away from the "bad" military types. Besides you vastly overestimate the destructive power of nukes. They are after all just large bombs. What would 5000 ICBM's (which we do not have near that many) do to Rural China? 75% of China doesn't even have electricity yet. Think they give a rip if we kill a couple hundred million Chinese if they get America in return? MAD is simply, well, mad.

117 posted on 07/27/2002 1:03:13 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: Savage Beast
Algeria proves #111 a fantasy.
118 posted on 07/27/2002 1:07:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: American in Israel; quebecois; JohnHuang2
I grabbed that quote as well, it should be "Quote of the Month" at least!
119 posted on 07/27/2002 1:10:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Man, you are up late tonight! Nice to have company... Earmarked your home page, looks like good reading there. Blessings from Jerusalem.
120 posted on 07/27/2002 1:22:34 AM PDT by American in Israel
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