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To: justshutupandtakeit; stainlessbanner
Slaveocracy, slaveocrats. LET IT GO MAN!! My father's family alone had at least 3 ancestors that fought in the 34th and 37th North Carolina and not a damn one of them owned slaves!! The 9th and 10th Amendments were there for a reason. To maintain and establish control of internal workings AND to protect the interests of the citizens of each respective state. I don't remember Thomas Pickering or George Cabot speaking of 'slaveocrats' in their push for secession in the early years of the 19th century, yet they felt strongly enough to call for leaving the union. Hell, the more I read about Pickering I think he was just a Tory in disguise. Ilk like him and Hamilton would have been happy if we just would have named the nation Great Britain II. But we didn't.

The powers not enumerated in the Constitution belonged to the states. And I'm not talking about 'assumed' abe powers or 'well it's covered under the general welfare clause' either. If it wasn't in the Constitution, it belonged to the respective states. But Clay and Hamilton are in full force today, of that you can be assured. So you should be quite happy

84 posted on 07/23/2002 9:48:35 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
While this is not the place to correct your erroneous views of Hamilton, he never supported secession nor did any of the framers not even Jefferson. And no, Hamilton has been universally excoriated and lied about by the Jeffersonian-loving historians for almost two hundred yrs. Sure he spent almost two decades fighting for the freedom, independence and strength of his NATION not NY state but his NATION so he could turn it into a monarchy. If you believe this what else will you believe?

Britian tried as early as 1775 to bribe him into supporting the Crown and he refused risking all in opposing it so try another Jeffersonian lie. He is one of the greatest men this country has ever produced and is responsible for giving it an early strength capable of surviving the nutball administrations of Jefferson and Madison. No patriot ever did more for this country than Alexander Hamilton. He sacrificed his fortune, his health, his family and ultimately his life for it. Why do you think Washington loved him like a son?

North Carolina Germans never owned slaves and likely sent significant numbers to fight for the Cornfederacy and for the interests of the Slaveocrats. It was also easy to delude the poor in the South since they were uneducated and used to docilely following the Planters. Most could not vote and when they did it was only as directed by their betters.
94 posted on 07/23/2002 10:08:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: billbears
I forgot to respond to your latter comments.

After you read Hamilton's Defense of the National Bank paper he prepared for Washington you can get back to me about what the constitution covers and does not cover. His argument is devasting to the position that the powers of the federal government are specifically identified. So devastating that W. signed the bill creating the Bank in spite of the arguments of Jefferson and the Attorney General Randolph that it was unconstitutional because it was not specified as being in the power of the federal government to create.

No one had a better understanding of the Constitution or a better legal mind than Alexander Hamilton. Few had as poor an understanding of the same than Jefferson.
98 posted on 07/23/2002 10:18:30 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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