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To: SandfleaCSC
That's interesting considering the only Jewish general officer on either side, Frederick Knefler, fought for the North under Sherman. The 82nd Illinois was commanded by a Jewish Officer, Colonel Edward Selig Salomon also served in the west under Sherman. Benjamin B. Levy won the Medal of Honor while serving with the 40th New York. Grant's General Order 11 was never enforced.
275 posted on 07/24/2002 1:55:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
More crap and half-truths so typical of your side. First you forget Col. Marcus Spiegel of the 120th Ohio Vol. Infantry. He was killed at the battle of Red River just after his commission to General. Knefler was never a field general, never led an army, but instead was an aide-de-camp and sometimes accountant to Gen. Wallace. In fact he was brevetted brig-gen on March 13, 1865...that means he was a general for about, oh say five weeks. Sounds like a PC commission to me. Ben Levy received his CMOH for being wounded and captured. It's been said by pundits of both sides of the North-South argument that this was damage control over Gen. Orders 11, but we'll never prove that will we? You mention the 82nd Illinios and Col. Salomon. Well, Salomon was a heck of a soldier, but he was forced to serve in the all-immigrant segregated 82nd Illinois regiment with other European Jews. Funny how you never hear about white segregated regiments in the Confederacy, must be a reason for that. I'm sure you'll think of something.

As far as the infamous #11, once again you are wrong. The diaspora that Grant called for never got underway, but there were plenty of arrests, fines, and property confiscations visited upon Jewish citizens. Allow me to cite one case for you, the case of Benjamin Hirsch. Mr Hirsch, his fiancee, and two others were detained in January of 1863 in New York, almost a full month after Grant issued #11. Property of all four was confiscated(totaling about 3,000 USD), they were arrested, and fined $100 USD apiece. When Mr Hirsch asked General Tuttle why they were being treated as such under GO #11, Tuttle responded, "Because you are Jews and have been deemed to be a benefit to neither the Union nor the Confederacy." For you to assume that Grant's orders were never acted upon is a foolish denial of history...go back and re-check some of your propaganda. If you want the source, this comes from the Jan. 1863 NEW YORK Jewish Register.
280 posted on 07/24/2002 4:40:43 PM PDT by SandfleaCSC
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