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Power and Weakness
Policy Review ^ | June 2002 | Robert Kagan

Posted on 07/22/2002 9:43:39 AM PDT by G. Chapman

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The first article I have read that sums up the true differences between the EU and the US. A must read.
1 posted on 07/22/2002 9:43:39 AM PDT by G. Chapman
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Europe looks to me as if it's becoming more accepting to globalism and one world government. If that's the way they want to go, that's up to them. But I prefer the US remain independent and sovereign. Third world countries can't wait to get their hands on our wealth, and see globalism as a way to take for themselves what their failed societies cannot produce.
2 posted on 07/22/2002 9:54:52 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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BTTT for a very good, although long, read.
3 posted on 07/22/2002 10:03:17 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: *balkans
provocative
4 posted on 07/22/2002 10:05:08 AM PDT by vooch
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I have been impressed by the various lofty words and the numerous Belgians wearing suits that characterize today's Europe. I am also glad to hear that this week, they have a plan for no longer being such a cesspool of war and genocide.

When they have gone 25 years without such an incident, I promise to return to listen to more about their superior ways.


5 posted on 07/22/2002 10:15:14 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: G. Chapman; monkeyshine; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; angelo; ...
Thanks for posting ..... This article has been making quite a buzz.
6 posted on 07/22/2002 10:17:51 AM PDT by dennisw
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The French make war with the same success ratew as French golfers have in the British Open..
7 posted on 07/22/2002 10:23:48 AM PDT by ken5050
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The French make war with the same success ratew as French golfers have in the British Open..
8 posted on 07/22/2002 10:23:55 AM PDT by ken5050
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Europeans insist they approach problems with greater nuance and sophistication. They try to influence others through subtlety and indirection. They are more tolerant of failure, more patient when solutions don’t come quickly. They generally favor peaceful responses to problems, preferring negotiation, diplomacy, and persuasion to coercion. They are quicker to appeal to international law, international conventions, and international opinion to adjudicate disputes. They try to use commercial and economic ties to bind nations together. They often emphasize process over result, believing that ultimately process can become substance.

Shimon Peres needs to go home to Europe.

9 posted on 07/22/2002 10:39:02 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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Europe looks to me as if it's becoming
more accepting to globalism and one world government.

I'd say, based on the article, Europe is
becoming more demanding of world socialism,
a socialism of equality of nations regardless of
their power.  Since Europe is powerless, relative
to the US, and has a natural proclivity for socialism
on the societal level, it is expected they would
try to hobble the lone superpower with international
law and multilateralism.

Did you notice the practice of the author in this
article regarding multinational organizations?
The Warsaw Pact and the UN get capital
letters.  Alas, nato is just that.  To the extent
this reveals the author's views, it saps his
analysis of objectivity.

10 posted on 07/22/2002 10:46:49 AM PDT by gcruse
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In other words, postwar Europe is, for only slightly different reasons, postwar Japan.

11 posted on 07/22/2002 10:57:46 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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Yeah, but I think the "Europeans" he's talking about are really the lefty chatterers of their limited journalistic classes.
12 posted on 07/22/2002 11:06:15 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Let's buy him a ticket!!!
13 posted on 07/22/2002 11:11:45 AM PDT by carton253
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Just a wild stab in the dark, after all as I live on this side of the pond I am not as intellectual as you yanks.

But maybe the fact we had two bloody destructive wars 1914-1918 1939-145 both faught on European soil both which led to wholesale destruction, might have something to do wwithy Europes more insular behavior.

Not like America after just one year of the great war, and after Vietnam, you were raring to get invloved in the world.

You were lucky that you were devided from the rest of us by the Atlantic and Pacific, you were never bombed from the air.

And during the last of the 20th century Europe was once more ready to fight a war even more destructive than the first, which would of left Europe devestated.

Tony

14 posted on 07/22/2002 11:15:45 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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Thank you for this posting - I thought the author was going down the road of overgeneralization in the first couple of paragraphs, and I was wrong. An excellent read, bookmarked for the rereadings it's going to require.

Americans are idealists, but they have no experience of promoting ideals successfully without power.

Actually, we have a history of that early on - to a very great degree, the antimonarchical movement in France was motivated by cross-oceanic enthusiasm for the American War of Independence. It was American ideas, not power, that helped put Louis and Marie Antoinette's heads on the block. That, and the resulting events, proved a mixed blessing for the people of France.

The notion that some new form of government will bring its adherents past the old nationalism into an era of Kantian "permanent peace" is not a new one - it, as well as the aforementioned guillotine, grew out of the Enlightenment and was shattered by the Prussians and helped lead to the rise of Napoleon. It was promised by Marx as well upon the accession of the proletariat, and ended up in a war between the Poles and the nascent Red Army under Trotsky. It is a pipe dream, albeit a popular one. "Beat the plowshares back into swords, the other was only a maiden aunt's fantasy." (Robert Heinlein)

15 posted on 07/22/2002 11:15:57 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Tony, Tony, Tony

Can you say "Pearl Harbor"?

I thought you could!

16 posted on 07/22/2002 11:25:10 AM PDT by frodolives
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Tony, Tony, Tony

Can you say "9/11"?

I thought you could!


17 posted on 07/22/2002 11:31:35 AM PDT by dinasour
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To: gcruse; G. Chapman; BlueLancer; aculeus; Orual; general_re
Did you notice the practice of the author in this article regarding multinational organizations? The Warsaw Pact and the UN get capital letters.  Alas, nato is just that. To the extent this reveals the author's views, it saps his analysis of objectivity.

That did look odd, didn't it? But NATO, FDR and so on are capitalized properly in the source.

Bump for an interesting read.

18 posted on 07/22/2002 11:33:30 AM PDT by dighton
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dinasour dinasour, can you say rejoined the British Army because of 11/sep I can and did.

Tony

19 posted on 07/22/2002 11:38:07 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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re :Can you say "Pearl Harbor"? .

Pearl Harbor was one attack against a naval base, it was not designed to inflict terror on a civilian population, as in Madrid, Warsaw, Lyons, Dresdon, Belgrade and a whole host of other European cities.

The wifes parents were both bombed out of there homes and were living in refugees camps until 1946/47.

Tony

20 posted on 07/22/2002 11:42:10 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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