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1 posted on 07/19/2002 1:59:31 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Charles Henrickson
"The gospel is not served, it is not confessed--indeed, the gospel is eviscerated--when Jesus Christ is presented as one of many options from which to choose on a smorgasbord of spirituality."

You can say that again.

2 posted on 07/19/2002 2:05:06 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Ford Fairlane; egarvue; Southflanknorthpawsis; GWfan; rocketdoc
LCMS ping.
3 posted on 07/19/2002 2:08:52 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Charles Henrickson
Finally, someone in the media sticking up for us.
4 posted on 07/19/2002 2:12:44 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Charles Henrickson
two thumbs up to the Wall Street Journal for having the guts to print this ...
5 posted on 07/19/2002 2:12:50 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Shermy; american colleen; Valin; JohnHuang2
Ping.
8 posted on 07/19/2002 2:29:58 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Charles Henrickson
LCMS BUMP

I would hope that if Mr. Benke should ask for forgiveness that the Synod becomes long suffering with those who fail to live up to the letter of the law, in doing so the Synod will truly display Christian love to the world.

9 posted on 07/19/2002 2:32:23 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: Charles Henrickson
"ecumenicalism"=One World Religion of the End Times.
27 posted on 07/19/2002 10:08:02 PM PDT by brat
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To: Charles Henrickson
If he went against his Church's Doctrine they have all the right in the (and my) world to sanction him as they see fit. And if he broke the rules by pushing to get a spot there, yes I agree, he should be sanctioned.

My problem stems from the idea that anyone would oppose the coming together, regardless of faith, in praying to our Father in a time of need.

Personally, I find it offensive when Christians are so intolerant of other Christians who happen to be tolerant and even accepting of people who may be of a 'different' form of their belief.

I'm sure my Jewish friends would love the "Christianity" shown in the 27 posts in this thread which were here when I started this post.
28 posted on 07/19/2002 10:49:02 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Charles Henrickson
The gospel is not served, it is not confessed--indeed, the gospel is eviscerated--when Jesus Christ is presented as one of many options from which to choose on a smorgasbord of spirituality.

Makes perfect sense to me.

62 posted on 07/20/2002 7:03:18 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Charles Henrickson
bttt
64 posted on 07/20/2002 7:09:25 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: Charles Henrickson; Ford Fairlane; egarvue; Southflanknorthpawsis; GWfan; rocketdoc; Bobby777; ...
The "one thing needful" is dearly missing from this article and this entire discussion thread. It is unfortunate that this journalist gives as the reason for Benke's suspension: "'a serious offense' strictly forbidden by tradition and church law." The issue here is not whether or not people "think" or "feel" that the LCMS is correct in it's judgement or not - our "thinking" and "feeling" can be great deceivers. Our reason needs to held captive and we need to listen to the Scriptural reasons - not some man-made tradition or church law.

I apologize in advance - this response will be somewhat lengthy, but please bear with me.

First of all, my biases: I believe that the Bible is the divine, verbally inspired Word of God, without error. It is the rule and norm for my life (at least I pray that God would guide me as best as my sinful flesh will let Him). God's Word has the only and final say. You'd find my Lutheran beliefs even further to the right than the LCMS. (I know, I know, some are saying now "Even FURTHER to the right???" - drop me a freepmail to learn more)

FAITHFULNESS AND JUDGING

Faithfulness to God's Word is very important. How do we go about being faithful to His Word? We first of all need to read it and know it and then apply it.

Scripture indicates that it is God-pleasing that a Christian should not only be concerned with matters of doctrine and practice, but should also judge doctrine and practice against what God's Word teaches. The Word of God holds the Berean Christians as excellent examples for all Christians to emulate in Acts 17:11: "They received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." These Bereans tested the apostles' doctrine to see if they taught the truth, and, of course, the doctrine was all judged on the basis of Scripture. The Apostle John was also writing to Christians under his care when he wrote, "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God..." 1 John 4:1. In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ Himself instructs us to judge doctrine - "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them." Matt. 7:15-16a.

Is faithfulness to God's Word really all that important? Yes! Every error cheats the Christian out of heavenly and spiritual treasure. It is in the interest of everyone that we insist on purity of doctrine (i.e. keeping teachings inline with what Scripture teaches). Indifference toward the quality of food makes it easier on the cook but makes it dangerous for the eater. Indifference toward the purity of doctrine makes the work of preaching easier but is dangerous for those who listen. It is in the interest of everyone that purity of doctrine be insisted on.

Does this sound exclusionary and discriminatory? By all means, yes! Why? Because God demands it. Let's take a peak...

Arguments are used that one should not say or cause controversy over small issues. Indeed, Jesus warns against making mountains out of molehills with the words, "You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel." Matt. 23:24. However, there are many things which God wants us to keep in mind when His Word, and doctrine that must be based on His Word, is involved.

God tells us in His Word that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2 Tim. 3:16. All simply means all. Since all of it is inspired, all of it is worthy of our defense.

We must keep in mind that every error becomes important because of the way doctrines are interrelated. The Bible says, "A little yeast [false doctrine] works through the whole batch of dough[all doctrine]." Gal. 5:9. Just as a little yeast works its way through an entire batch of dough, so false doctrine has that same nature. Doctrines cannot be separated.

Our sinful nature reasons that a little bit of false doctrine will not harm us. "We are all brothers in Christ and small issues should not divide us," is the argument used. Contrast this with what God's Word tells us in 1 Cor. 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." If there is a "major" disagreement, no one doubts that oneness of mind and judgment is not present. So called "minor" errors affect oneness God intended to be present. God has not said that the degree or seriousness of an error determines with whom we may worship. Error, not the degree of the error, should settle the question for us.

The Holy Spirit also demonstrates to us that faithfulness in small matters is necessary. We read these words of Jesus recorded in Luke 16:10: "Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." In other words, if someone is not trustworthy in a small matter, he will not be trustworthy with a great matter either.

Finally, when we judge whether an issue or doctrine is important or not, we are in danger of judging God Himself. We must remember that if it is in the Bible, it is important and worthy of our defense. God's Word will endure to all eternity. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." Luke 21:33. Every "jot and tittle" (Matt 5:18 KJV) is worth an all out effort of defense because God felt it was important enough to be included in the Bible in the first place. Not to defend it would be implying it was not important and that is a judgment of God Himself.

With this foundation laid, let us now turn to Scripture to see what God has to say about fellowship - and how this teaching relates to the Benke case.

Church fellowship can simply be defined as every joint or mutual expression of a common faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. In the Lutheran church this is commonly called pulpit, altar, and prayer fellowship.

The basis for this fellowship must be unity in doctrine or confessional oneness. Indeed, Jesus' final words before His ascension commanded: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded..." Matt 28:19-20a, KJV. All simply means all. This command does not give the disciples then, or the church today, leeway to add to or subtract from the doctrines as given in Holy Scripture.

To have God-pleasing fellowship, there must be unity of confession. Otherwise it is not God-pleasing. The Apostle Paul admonished the Corinthian congregation for the division in their fellowship. In 1 Corinthians 1:10, Paul wrote: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." This unity of confession is to be present in both word and in practice. There is no permission granted here for driving a wedge between Christ and His Word or for converting unity into a babel of conflicting and contradictory opinions.

St. Paul also described the confessional unity that is necessary for fellowship in Romans 15:5-6 KJV: "Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Since Scripture requires confessional agreement as the basis for fellowship, it should be evident that where there is no agreement in doctrine, or confession, there should be no fellowship. God forbids those who confess His Truth in word and practice to fellowship with those who confess teachings contrary to His Word. Joint fellowship, worship and church work with those who do not agree in doctrine are called the sin of unionism. God simply says, "Therefore come out from them and be separate," 2 Cor. 6:17.

Since Scripture requires confessional agreement as the basis for fellowship, it should be evident that where there is no agreement in doctrine, or confession, there should be no fellowship. God forbids those who confess His Truth in word and practice to fellowship with those who confess teachings contrary to His Word. Joint worship and church work with those who do not agree in doctrine is called the sin of unionism. Unionism involves the constant danger of losing the Word of God entirely (see 2 Tim. 2:17-21). God gives us a simple command to solve this problem, "Therefore come out from them and be separate." 2 Cor. 6:17.

Confessional unity must be present before God-pleasing fellowship can occur. A Christian who believes these simple words will rightly refrain from joint worship, prayer and church-related work with those who are not in confessional agreement with them. That is why, for instance, the LC-MS did not want Benke to participate in this special worship service -- where joint worship and prayer was practiced without confessional unity.

THE PLACE OF LOVE - IS THE LCMS BEING UNLOVING?

Pure doctrine is a gift of the grace of God, and the greatest blessing man can receive, for, whoever has the full truth of the Gospel is rich in all spiritual gifts including Christ, forgiveness, the gift of heaven, etc. God has given all doctrine as a sacred trust to the church. The church, then, has the responsibility not to lose the truth. But, it does indeed happen when the church becomes indifferent to her treasure and permits error to stand as truth.

When the church does not exercise doctrinal discipline, and thus permits error equal right with the truth, a most grievous sin is committed. Doctrinal sin transgresses the First Table of the Law and constitutes a sin against the majesty of God. Sins of doctrine are also grievous, for these sins are capable of destroying a man's soul in hell.

The Bible clearly teaches that false doctrine is a sin against the First Commandment for the errorist (one who teaches false doctrine, or adheres to false doctrine) sins by trusting in his own reason in matters of doctrine, or by following someone who is erring and whom he then holds in greater esteem than God. In either case he is committing idolatry. "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching ["doctrine" in the KJV] of Christ does not have God." II John 9. The Second Commandment is broken because every errorist lies and deceives by God's name, for teaching false doctrine as though it were God's Word is a lie, or blasphemy. False doctrine transgresses the Third Commandment which demands that we hold God's Word sacred. Changing God's Word by either adding to His Word or taking away from it is despising the Word of God.

Luther recognized sins of doctrine as most grievous for he understood the interrelation, or interdependence of all doctrines of Scripture. Luther pictured the articles of faith (doctrines) as a golden chain from which the precious gem, the saving Gospel of Christ, is suspended. In the following quotation Luther not only emphasizes the importance of all doctrines of the faith, but he also identifies the enemy and the major instrument of destruction:

The Ruinous Virus of Rationalism - When the devil has persuaded us to surrender one article of faith to him, he has won; in effect he has all of them, and Christ has already lost. He can at will unsettle and take all others, for they are all intertwined and linked together like a golden chain so that if one link is broken, the entire chain is broken and can be pulled apart. There is no article which the devil cannot overthrow once he has succeeded in having reason dabble in doctrine and speculate about it. Reason knows how to turn and twist Scripture in masterly fashion into conformity with its views. This is very agreeable, like sweet poison.

When false doctrine is taught or held by a brother in the faith, loving admonition is in place. (However, the situation may clearly indicate that admonition has no place.) The purpose of loving admonition is to bring the brother back from his error; it is not given to determine whether or not a person is a false teacher.

Such admonition may take little time or much time. However, if the loving admonition is rejected and the suspected teacher continues to teach error to the sheep and lambs entrusted to him, he has then revealed himself as a false teacher, a causer of divisions and offenses, a subverter of doctrine. Here the debt of love ceases, for no love is owed to a false teacher. The reason for this becomes evident when one understands the nature of love.

Luther understood the nature of love when he wrote, "Love can sometimes be neglected without danger, but the Word of God and faith cannot. It belongs to love to bear everything and to yield to everyone. On the other hand, it belongs to faith to bear nothing whatever and to yield to no one. Therefore it [love] is often deceived." To apply love freely, which involves yielding one's position in doctrinal matters would be disastrous, for then error would be allowed to stand as truth. God's Word nowhere makes allowance for this.

Indeed, Luther warns against this very thing of allowing error to be accepted as truth. In such an instance Luther rightly insists that love is NOT to be exercised: "When fanatics teach lies and errors under the guise of truth and make an impression on many, there love is certainly not to be exercised and error is not to be approved. For what is lost here is not merely a good deed done for someone who is unthankful, but the Word, faith, and eternal life."

Even in minor issues or doctrines one should not close his eyes and remain silent so that love may be preserved. Doctrinal selectiveness is not permissible as Christ taught. Luther said: "But from doctrine (says Christ, Matthew 5:18) not a tittle or a letter may be omitted...This is because doctrine is God's Word and God's truth alone."

Those Christians who warn against error and insist upon pure doctrine are unpopular. They are reproached, derided, and sometimes ridiculed. They are said to be unloving, or legalistic. Luther himself was called many things (quarrelsome, harsh, intractable) for refusing to yield in doctrine. Christ was called a Samaritan, or scum of the earth in John 8:46-59, yet, He did not let this deter Him from speaking the truth and defending the doctrine that He is God.

It must be recognized that such name calling is a trick of the devil and used by those who are indifferent to pure doctrine. Pure doctrine and love go hand in hand. Love for Christ leads to a steadfast clinging to His Word. Love for one's neighbor means warning against false doctrine. Love is not silent nor does it in any way enable someone to continue false teaching. For example, true love does not in any way enable the alcoholic to continue drinking.

When false doctrine is present, confession of the truth is necessary. To remain silent or to let false doctrine stand as truth is to be ashamed of Jesus. Christ says: "If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." Mark 8:38. There were men in the days of Jesus who heard His Word and believed in Him. Yet, they were ashamed to come out openly, step to the side of Christ, and openly confess their love for Him. Christ severely censured them with the words "they loved the praise of men more than praise from God." John 12:42-43. There is something wrong with a love that will not openly declare for Jesus and His Word. May God preserve us from such a weak love!

CONCLUSION

None of the teachings of the Word of God are expendable. In the closing words of his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said that a person who heard and did his sayings was like a wise builder who built his house on a rock. Jesus does not say 'Some of my teachings.' Jesus wants all of them to be believed. None of his teachings are expendable. Striving for purity of doctrine is NOT legalistic nor Pharisaical, as some will say. Legalism and Pharisaism are noted for strict observation of rites and ceremonies of the LAW, and emphasis on demanding obedience to things which are matters of adiaphora. Striving for doctrinal purity is GOSPEL oriented, designed to preserve the Gospel message of salvation by grace alone through faith. Some are tempted to think 'A little departure from the teachings of Jesus doesn't hurt, especially if it doesn't have something to do with the Gospel message.' A house does not collapse all of a sudden. Usually it is a little crack in the foundation that leads to its eventual fall. The Bible uses another picture, "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough" Gal. 5:9. Tolerated error, even a small one, spreads, grows, takes more territory and finally gains control. We cannot be quiet about even the smallest aberration from the truth. That is one way the devil begins - to tolerate a small difference. God says that the one he esteems is the one who "trembles at my word" Is. 66:2. On God's Word may we make our stand!

Thank you for wading through this all. I do think it is important to understand the SCRIPTURAL reasons for the LC-MS actions toward Benke.

Comments will be responded to later...

95 posted on 07/23/2002 11:00:16 PM PDT by FatherOfLiberty
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