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Weird Fossilized Flying Reptile 'A Vision of Hell'
Yahoo! News ^ | Thu Jul 18, 2:04 PM ET | Will Dunham

Posted on 07/18/2002 8:21:03 PM PDT by AM2000

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To: keithtoo
Isn't it interesting that, not only do all depictions or dragons look alike, they virtually ALL have wings! What are the odds of that?

Actually, about zero, because it's not true. I take it you've never seen Chinese dragons?

No wings. Chinese dragons throughout history are virtually never depicted as having wings. You can see lots more examples here.

61 posted on 07/19/2002 6:00:44 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Maceman; VadeRetro
As I say, reptiles are cold blooded, and dinosaurs were not. Therefore, dinosaurs were NOT reptiles, although they had been mistakenly classified as such since their first discovery in the 1700s.

There's evidence that some of the dinosaurs may have had endothermic features, in a primitive way, that is, not in the same way of modern mammals or birds. Birds are reptiles too, btw.

62 posted on 07/19/2002 6:24:59 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: capitan_refugio; Maceman
capitan_refugio explains it well. I just saw the post. Thanks.
63 posted on 07/19/2002 6:28:11 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: parsifal
There have been live pteradactyl sightings in Texas in the last couple of decades. Are we sure these things are extinct? parsy.

That would be since the Carlos Casteneda books? :-)

64 posted on 07/19/2002 6:53:23 AM PDT by decimon
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To: medved
Like I say, it's never been easy to be an evolutionist, and it's not getting any easier.

Or a bird watcher.


65 posted on 07/19/2002 7:05:24 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: keithtoo
bump
66 posted on 07/19/2002 7:07:30 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Paul Atreides
Your picture really startled me. Jeez scare the hell out of me next time.
67 posted on 07/19/2002 7:12:23 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: AM2000
Ok - I've got a really stupid question - Why were these creatures so large. The are very few large creatures around today. I mean what in their environment encouraged them to be as large as they were? I mean food was plentiful - still is? What was different then?
68 posted on 07/19/2002 7:16:06 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: KSCITYBOY
I'm sure part of the answer is that the larger ones preserved better.
69 posted on 07/19/2002 7:24:12 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: AM2000
UUUUMMMMMM - Pterosaur on toast!
70 posted on 07/19/2002 7:35:08 AM PDT by sandydipper
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To: StriperSniper
Good point, but still the only thing close to the today seem to be whales.
71 posted on 07/19/2002 7:36:08 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: AM2000
Did they find a fossilized Nazgul close by?
72 posted on 07/19/2002 7:37:56 AM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: StriperSniper
You know I suppose if these creatures we around a lot longer than man with a plentiful food supply they might have just grown progressively larger with size being a good attribute until some factor came along to limit there size. I wonder if supplied with plenty of food over a very long time would mankind grow extermly large?
73 posted on 07/19/2002 7:40:03 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Maceman
a big flying reptile

The article states that is was NOT a dinosaur.

74 posted on 07/19/2002 7:43:35 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: KSCITYBOY
I wonder if supplied with plenty of food over a very long time would mankind grow extermly large?

Since we are intelligent (I know that could be debated ;-), if that happened, we would probably be directing it. I don't have any handy data but humans have on average increased in size by a significant percentage just over the last hundred years, so it would seem likely until some kind of limit due to the physics of our basic structure.

75 posted on 07/19/2002 7:54:31 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: keithtoo
That's not a dragon. It's a wyvern...
76 posted on 07/19/2002 8:06:07 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Jimer
That's a dragon. Four legs...
77 posted on 07/19/2002 8:08:10 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Nebullis
There's evidence that some of the dinosaurs may have had endothermic features, in a primitive way, that is, not in the same way of modern mammals or birds. Birds are reptiles too, btw.

Birds are most decidedly NOT reptiles. They are of the class aves, one of the five classes of vertebrates. The other four classes are: fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals.

There is very strong evidence that dinosaurs could not have been cold-blooded and survived. Some of the things that back up this assertion are:

*Large sauropods would never have been able to rely on external temperatures to heat their bodies because of their size, and the amount of time it would have taken them to "heat up" would have left virtually no time for any other activity.

* Predator/prey ratios among concentrations of fossilized remains indicates that the ratio was much closer to that of warm blloded predator environments. For example, consider lions vs. zebras (i.e. relatively small numbers of lions, who must consume eat frequent and consume large numbers of prey to maintain their metabolism, relative to the prey population. If the predator dinosaurs were truly cold blooded, smaller populations of prey animals would be able to support relatively large populations of predators, because reptiles don't need to consume so many calories to maintain their metabolism.

*The apparent lifestyle of the two-legged raptor-type dinosaurs required a great deal of energy to chase and kill prey. The current belief is that they were aggressive predators with a lot of stamina, as opposed to cold blooded reptiles who mostly lie in wait and are capable only of relatively short bursts of energetic activity.

I am not a paleontologist, but I have done a lot of reading on this subject, and was absolutely stunned back in the late '70s when a scientific consensue began to emerge that dinosaurs really were warm-blooded. I know there are some paleontologists who disagree with that premise, but they are relatively few in number, so I am given to understand.

78 posted on 07/19/2002 8:16:53 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: parsifal
Parsi, of course they're extinct! Science says so! Why, the Ceolocanth is extinct too!.....

(I know, they were found in the indian ocean... or so..)

79 posted on 07/19/2002 9:41:46 AM PDT by Darksheare
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To: OHelix; blam

http://www.dixiexfiles.homestead.com/thunderbird.html

80 posted on 07/19/2002 10:31:55 AM PDT by JudyB1938
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