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Weird Fossilized Flying Reptile 'A Vision of Hell'
Yahoo! News ^ | Thu Jul 18, 2:04 PM ET | Will Dunham

Posted on 07/18/2002 8:21:03 PM PDT by AM2000

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To: parsifal
There have been live pteradactyl sightings in Texas in the last couple of decades. Are we sure these things are extinct?

Those aren't pteradactyls; those are just Texas-sized mosquitos!

21 posted on 07/18/2002 8:56:35 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Maceman
Dinosaurs were not reptiles.

Dinosaurs are reptiles. Not all reptiles are dinosaurs.

22 posted on 07/18/2002 9:01:19 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: parsifal
nothing would surprise me. plesiosaurs and other marine dinos would be my first guess.

the theory of dino extinction is this- the flood was a combination of underground fountains breaking loose and a sheet of high altitude ice crystals melting and raining. before this event, the atmosphere was much denser and more oxygen rich. it didn't rain, there was just heavy condensation.

after the flood, the larger dinos (yes, they were on the ark, probably juveniles) couldn't survive as well because of their inadequate lung capacity versus oxygen requirements. plenty of info on this, just search for 'creationism'.

23 posted on 07/18/2002 9:05:31 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Redcloak
Those aren't pteradactyls; those are just Texas-sized mosquitos!

The similarities between the two are uncanny......


24 posted on 07/18/2002 9:06:06 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Nebullis
we see these all over the beaches around Tampa.
25 posted on 07/18/2002 9:07:31 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
i mean the skimmer birds!
26 posted on 07/18/2002 9:10:18 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Nebullis
In literature, that would be called 'poetic license' in Science, it is just called Evolutionary Theory. I call it a bunch of Barbara Streisand.

Let them explain how that creature developed feathers from scales, or went from cold-blooded to warm-blooded, or from solid boned to hollow-boned, or speeded up its metabolism by a factor of 10X, or lost its long tail, or.........you get the idea.

If any of these systems was not FULLY and SIMULTANEOUSLY developed, the creature would be an unworkable mutation and would die quickly. Oh yeah, another thing. There would have to be a FULLY DEVELOPED female and male existing at the same time to reproduce. Even then, the offspring would be just as likely to revert to the grandparents traits (ie: the old creature) as to continue the mother and fathers traits.

Absolutely unworkable. But you have to admire the Evo's strong faith!

27 posted on 07/18/2002 9:12:41 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: ovrtaxt
No pterosaurs near Tampa?
28 posted on 07/18/2002 9:13:02 PM PDT by Nebullis
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Ping.
29 posted on 07/18/2002 9:15:18 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: AM2000
Sounds like something I read about in Revelations.
30 posted on 07/18/2002 9:17:23 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: parsifal
I don't remember where, but I have seen an old photograph (late 1800's early 1900's) of two cowboys holding a pteradactyl like animal they shot down... I remember something about the native Indians calling them Thunder Birds and there were stories of them snatching babies.
31 posted on 07/18/2002 9:17:33 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Nebullis
well, we have a few crusty liberals over at the St. Pete Times. I think they're cold blooded, though. and definitely reptilian. They don't hang out at the beach, though. The cats try to bury them.
32 posted on 07/18/2002 9:18:43 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: OHelix
I think I have seen those. I have a book and I will dig it out tomorrow, where they document sightings in the last few decades as I remember. parsy.
33 posted on 07/18/2002 9:21:01 PM PDT by parsifal
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34 posted on 07/18/2002 9:21:15 PM PDT by Consort
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To: keithtoo
THat's no ordinary bat-it's a vampire bat.
35 posted on 07/18/2002 9:24:46 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Paul Atreides
Now that's a bat out of hell!;)
36 posted on 07/18/2002 9:26:14 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: keithtoo
"I've actually heard of some ancient dinousars and Pterosaurs which have unexplained cavities in their skull which literally could have held some chemical that could have been expelled thru their nostrils or mouth that could have had a 'smoky' effect."

Ever hear of the Bombadier Beetle? It combines hydroquinone (a photographic developing agent and a rocket fuel) and hydrogen peroxide. The result is a loud stinky smoky detonation.

37 posted on 07/18/2002 9:28:38 PM PDT by Don Joe
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Mark Andrews
ufo1128@webtv.net

It was 10 years ago today that I saw "the bird".

On June 15, 1991, I was on my way home from work at the General Cinema in the Greenwood Park Mall. It was a very pleasant Saturday afternoon. The time was right around 5:30 PM. I stopped for the light at the intersection of Southern Ave. & Shelby St. (Indy Southside).

I would normally have gone North on Shelby to Prospect St,. but instead, made a quick,reflexive left turn to cut through Garfield Park to get to my apartment on Morris St..

I pulled in to the park to the first stop sign. I immediately became aware of a very large "bird" , visible to me through the car's windshield (above and to my right ) flying just above tree-top level.

"Damn, that's a big hawk!", I thought at first.

As the creature was gliding over the clearing of trees above the street, I "instinctively" (?) pressed harder on the car's brake (knees a little shaky). My hand went into a tight grip of the steering wheel, as I leaned forward to allow my brain to better process what my vision (and gut) were telling me.

"Oh my god......" I remember saying aloud.

I was looking at a "baby" pteradon (?) flying over Garfield Park on a Saturday afternoon in 1991....A.D. !

I would estimate that it was roughly 8 feet long from its nose to the tip of its tail. The wings were slightly rounded, but didn't appear to have the light transparency that we so often see in drawings of flying prehistoric reptiles. The wing span seemed to be proportionate to the body length (8 feet). The basic, over-all, color of the creature was that of burnished tan leather, with darker brown areas at the crown of the head and down the spinal column.

The head was also somewhat more rounded than we normally envision, and I seem to remember that its beak also had sort of a downward curve.

The most ominous feature was the very prominent "club" at the end of its tail. I would guess that the (darker brown / kiwi shaped) club would have the circumference of a softball.

For all of its apparent ferocity, it seemed to be having a difficult time when it came to maneuvering in the air. Its glide began to degrade, and it gave 3 very brisk - and powerful looking - flaps of its wings to avoid slamming into a tall tree along its flight path.

Most unforgettable in terms of its movement was the fact that each time the wings flapped down, the clubbed tail would drop in a reflexive, coordinated "jerk". It cleared the tree and continued on its path, and beyond my vision.

And so I just sat there; foot still "squeezing" the brake; hand still "strangling" the steering wheel. It was like I had been suddenly "freeze-dried".

"Oh my god.........."

"Oh my god.........." was the best verbal response I could come up with at that moment. I, somewhat shakenly, drove the rest of the way home repeating the "Oh my god" mantra.

I learned ( the hard way ) not to share these facts with too many people. Never has it been suggested that I was hallucinating the event. But what I have found most disdainful have been all of the suggestions that what I actually saw was an eagle; a kite; a remote control plane, ( and even once; a remote control pteradon ! )

My response to such skeptical observations is - first of all - the fact that some innate, ancestral part of my psyche immediately reacted to the creature before my thoughts could process the images and verify to me the reality that this creature was (indeed) a "dinosaur".

An instilled, self-preservation component in my unconscious mind ( honed by my pre-history ancestors ) automatically "kicked in" to lock my muscles in place, preventing any movements that would have made my presence more detectable to a passing aerial predator.

All of this transpired inside of me in a split-second, beyond my conscious awareness; and in deference to all of my then-to-fore assumptions pertaining to possible encounters in reality.

In the course of my 39 years prior to this event - and in the 10 years that have followed - I have never, NEVER otherwise xperienced that "jolt" of intrinsic, subliminal terror. ( And I pray that I will never again have to feel the blasting shot of cold chill that petrified my spinal column.)

You just - very simply - do not have such austere reactions to the sudden appearance of a "kite".

The reptilian was flying NE / SW, at an angle that - I later calculated on a map - would have eventually taken it to the Sierra Mountains of Mexico, more than 1,700 miles away. I was able to notice on that night's weather portion of the news that a high level storm had pushed its way into the upper Midwest from the Gulf of Mexico. My best theory is that what I saw was one of the creatures known to the local sheep farmers of Texas and Mexico as "night raiders". These are very large flying reptiles, akin to pterodactyls, that conduct nighttime ( and sometimes daytime ) "air raids" to grab live stock and return them to their nesting areas in the desolate regions of the Sierra Madres.

The creature over Garfield Park that day ( I guess ) must have been swept up into the force of the upper-atmosphere wind currents and carried to the Midwest. Judging by the angle of its flight, I think he/she might have been following its own instincts to get back home. Also, by its size, it must have been still young enough to be a novice.

( Adult versions of this creature have been reported to have wing-spans of upwards of 30 feet. )

On June 15, 1993, I had my first opportunity to see the movie "Jurassic Park". As I was driving home from the theatre ( the same one that I had just left - still in my GC uniform - when I had the encounter with "the bird" ).

In a most bizarre synchronicity, the pteradon over Garfield Park became a harbinger of my future experience of the movie "Jurassic Park". ( Same date / same theater / two years into the future. )

And as Rod Serling might say, this prospect is "Offered for your consideration".

I have heard reactions form several guys (with overly active machismos) who have commented that - if it had been THEM who had had the same encounter with the same creature - they would have tried to chase it down in their cars and then blast it from the sky.

But take it from one who has "been there"....

roviding that your genes and chromosomes are sufficiently attuned to their most basic, inherent programs of "fight or flight", you will do neither.

In that same moment, you will do everything within the capacity of your primal nature to not ruffle any of its feathers.

Or should I say, its "scales" ?

38 posted on 07/18/2002 9:37:42 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: AM2000
I'm sure I saw these used as airplanes on the Flintstones...Pterodactyl Airlines IIRC.
39 posted on 07/18/2002 9:42:34 PM PDT by xp38
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40 posted on 07/18/2002 9:43:21 PM PDT by green team 1999
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