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Homeland Security or KGB??
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 17, 2002 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/17/2002 6:38:19 PM PDT by ninenot

U.S. government doesn't trust Americans

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: July 17, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

We're supposed to have a government of the people, for the people and by the people.

In fact, Americans are largely supposed to govern themselves in the system devised by our brilliant founders.

That is no longer the case because the U.S. government in Washington doesn't trust its citizens.

This sad truth has become crystal clear in the wake of the terror attacks of Sept. 11. Instead of enlisting Americans to fight this evil as past governments have in times of war, this administration, with at least the tacit approval of Congress, has used the attacks as an excuse to clamp down on the civil liberties of Americans and to keep closer tabs on law-abiding citizens. At the same time, the government has demonstrated, time and time again, its own startling inability to use its vast resources to prevent massive attacks on the people and even to recognize and identify from where the threats emanate.

The latest example of the government's alarming plans to target the entire population for more scrutiny is the Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS. Interestingly, the program came to light not through the reporting of any U.S. press outlets, but through a report in the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia and linked by WorldNetDaily.

Under plans outlined on the government's Citizen Corps website, a pilot program launching next month will enlist some 1 million domestic informants in 10 cities to spy on the people. That could mean, if the plan is carried out nationwide, there will be a government snoop for every 24 Americans.

What that means, the Sydney Morning Herald points out, is that the U.S. would have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the dreaded Stasi secret police. At least 4 percent of Americans would participate in TIPS, under the government's plan.

The TIPS snoops will be recruited by the Department of Justice from among citizens whose work provides access to homes, businesses and transport systems – such as letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors.

The informants' reports will enter databases for future reference and possible action within the Justice Department, related agencies and local police forces. Of course, the targets of such spying will have no knowledge of the dossiers being maintained on them.

All this, of course, also comes in the context of other ominous legislation such as the Patriot Act, which permits a person's home to be searched without his or her knowledge. Bugs can be planted, papers can be seized – all prima facie violations of the Fourth Amendment.

Is this America?

What's going on here?

The government hardly has a sterling track record with its paid employees. What makes it think it will get good information from a network of voluntary informants? What's to prevent these people from acting out on grudges with neighbors? How can the information, to be widely shared within government circles and agencies, be verified and ascertained to be legitimate?

These are just some of the questions raised by this dangerous trend toward government non-accountability.

Government plans demonstrate we are clearly moving to an us-against-them mentality. These plans are not designed to protect the citizens of the United States, they are designed to protect government from the people.

Besides making all of us more fearful of our own government, this plan will have the added effect of making us all suspicious of those around us – our mailman, our meter reader, even the friendly train conductor. That's what happened in East Germany and in other totalitarian countries that instituted such draconian plans.

No matter how friendly a face the government attempts to put on this program, it is not going to fly in the USA. Let the word go out now to one and all who might be tempted to participate in such a program – we don't like domestic spies in the United States. We don't like rats. We don't like snitches. We don't like snoops. We don't like them and we don't need them – not here. Not in America. Not now. Not ever.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gwb; homelandsecurity
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Another Clinton presidency, anyone??
1 posted on 07/17/2002 6:38:19 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
This hysteria is getting out of control.
2 posted on 07/17/2002 6:39:08 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: brewcrew; BlackElk; afraidfortherepublic; LouD
FYI
3 posted on 07/17/2002 6:39:23 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
Clinton sold us out, but Bush is selling us down the river.
4 posted on 07/17/2002 6:39:35 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Don't worry. Hillary is running in 2004.

(barf)

5 posted on 07/17/2002 6:42:09 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: ninenot
I'm happy that there is a gradual movement of conservatives brave enough to stand up and espouse their views and not be scared into silence by Bushbots who hold no real views or ideals. They just sell their political soul to the Republican establishment. Sure it was fun to have them when all us freepers used to complain about the Clintoon administration, but now that Republicans are in power the conservatives are being seperated from the bots.
6 posted on 07/17/2002 6:44:48 PM PDT by ChicagoRepublican
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To: Texasforever
Is it? When your hippie dope smoking anti-American neighbor up the street calls you in as a right wing miltia supporter one day to the TIPS program and you get hauled in for questioning for 10 hours, 9 of which are in a holding cell with the scum of the earth, is that hysteria? Just curious.
7 posted on 07/17/2002 6:45:12 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: ninenot
Interestingly, the program came to light not through the reporting of any U.S. press outlets,

Of course not - the press will be the first ones to turn me in for having observed my "cultural insensitivity." They love this stuff.

8 posted on 07/17/2002 6:45:39 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: Texasforever
What could be worse than the IRS
9 posted on 07/17/2002 6:46:36 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
There is not a damn thing stopping him from doing that now. Get a grip.
10 posted on 07/17/2002 6:47:44 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
The only thing out of control is the government. Time to smack the government around a little bit and show them the people won't accept an American Stasi.
11 posted on 07/17/2002 6:47:47 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: ninenot
didn't they say..."without a shot being fired"?
12 posted on 07/17/2002 6:50:18 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Texasforever
This hysteria is getting out of control.

If this had come from Clinton/Reno, the Bushies would be hysterical too.

Just remember this: the pendulum swings. Bush is creating a statist infrastructure that will one day be controlled by Dems.

13 posted on 07/17/2002 6:51:58 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: billybudd
yeah,yeah,yeah.
14 posted on 07/17/2002 6:52:01 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Commie Basher
Look, you, me or anyone can drop the dime on anyone we may have a grudge against tonight. As I said get a grip.
15 posted on 07/17/2002 6:53:37 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
...is that hysteria?

Yes, your scenario is hysteria.
16 posted on 07/17/2002 6:56:53 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: dalebert
This.

This will be the IRS on steroids, and with about 100 times the staff.

17 posted on 07/17/2002 6:58:51 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Texasforever
Look, you, me or anyone can drop the dime on anyone we may have a grudge against tonight.

...yeah, but the POSTMAN???

18 posted on 07/17/2002 7:00:47 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot; Commie Basher
Do you honestly think Hillary gives one tittle about this program? If Hillary wants to re-create the Stasi, she'll do it regardless of what Bush does or does not do. So quit trying to scare the children and old folks with meaningless folderol about what the Clinton's might or might not do.
19 posted on 07/17/2002 7:01:33 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: ninenot
BS!

the enemy is already within..there is no profile because the face is white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, asian...the only response is to report suspicious actions that suggest terrorist activity.

20 posted on 07/17/2002 7:01:49 PM PDT by debg
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