Homeland Security or KGB??

WorldNetDaily ^ | July 17, 2002 | Joseph Farah

[Texasforever]

Hell yes.

[Darth Hillary]

Honestly, I love the idea. Especially since this will piss off so many conservatives that I will be the Queen soon, can't you smell it?

< balogna >I won't tell on you, if you don't tell on me, OK? < /balogna >

[Black Agnes]

Actually his scenario is plausible. I see from your profile that you live in TX. Visit NE NJ or NYC for a while. Most of my coworkers can't *wait* to either vote for Gore or Hillary. They'd fall all over one another turning me in because I'm pro-life (might blow up a clinic or something) and pro-gun (why's she need guns? the cops will protect her, maybe she just wants to shoot an abortionist!). These are the same people, one of whom *cried* when Gore conceeded because she'd have to have back alley abortions. She'd TIPs me in a heartbeat if Hillary were president.

The big difference between this and telephone snooping and bank record snooping (not that that can't be fiddled) is that it's completely subjective based on the *opinion* of an individual that might not know you all that well, or have a grudge against you. This type of information is usually not as valuable as the first type. Now, multiply times 1 million tipsters. You just think the airport security nazis are out of control, now imagine that in the cable guy, the meter reader, the postman, the schoolbus driver...etc.

[habaes corpussel]

It is going to get interesting around here....

[Commie Basher]

yeah, but the POSTMAN???

On the positive side, if a mail carrier does inform on someone, the person will have long since moved or died by the time the tip reaches Washington.

[handk]

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Intelligence Debriefing: The East German Stasi.

The infamous Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, a.k.a. the Stasi, was established in April 1950. Similar in structure to the then- operating NKVD (predecessor to the KGB), the Stasi was the secret police force for the communist-controlled German Democratic Republic.

The Stasi used a huge network of informants to repress the citizens of East Germany. It was not uncommon for members of families to spy on each other for fear of blackmail, as a result of physical threats and even because of monetary rewards from the secret police force. In the late ‘80s, the Stasi had nearly 175,000 official informants on their books, roughly one informant for every 100 people. (Some estimate the size of the “unofficial” Stasi informant force as nearly 10 times this level.) The Stasi maintained a force of over 90,000 uniformed and plain-clothes agents.

Aside from their internal operations, the Stasi, in coordination with the KGB, collected external intelligence. (During the early ,80s, the new President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, then a KGB operative, participated in this type of intelligence gathering. See “Russians put their faith in Putin,” above.) The key targets of the Stasi’s external efforts were the U.S. occupational forces in Berlin, U.S. and NATO forces in West Germany, the West German government and military and political bodies of other Western European countries.

The operations of the Stasi, the uniforms they wore and the geographical situation of East and West Berlin made them the perfect ever-present “bad guys” of many Cold War spy novels. However, their portrayal in print was only a shadow of their true and far-reaching influence.

In 1990, when West and East Germany were reunited, the Stasi was dissolved. Many sought retribution for the pain, suffering and even loss of life caused by the East German secret police through the court system. However, a final decision by the unified German court in 1995 stated that former Stasi officials could not be prosecuted for taking part in or conducting Cold War espionage against the West.

 

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[ibme]

Welcome to the USSA...

[Black Agnes]

Lemme ask, are you white, male, and conservative? If so, you just nailed the common perception of the McVeigh profile. Own any guns? wow, you might shoot up an abortion clinic or one of those peaceful mosques. Gotta report you ASAP!

Know how the airport security goons almost *never* pick likely suspects for searches? You my friend would be TIPsed because you are white, male and conservative.

[Texasforever]

You are NOT listening. The ability to make bogus reports and to target white male conservatives are already in place! All ya gotta do is pick up the damned phone.

[Commie Basher]

The big difference between this and telephone snooping and bank record snooping

Sadly, it's not a big difference, it's just another step along a road we've been walking. We've already lost many of our liberties under "special circumstances" (e.g., to "protect the children.")

With federal asset forfeiture, they no longer need to give you due process, or a trial. We've resurrected "debtor's prison" with child support (the govt can jail someone for not earning enough money). Hate crime laws are eroding free speech (the day will come when Bible passages will be considered "hate speech" -- it's already happening in Scandanavia).

All sorts of liberties have been lost in the fight against "terrorists, child molesters, hate criminals, drug traffickers, internet porn." The state always picks the most abhorent example to create an exception to the Constitution, then expands that exception to ... everyone.

[Commie Basher]

The ability to make bogus reports and to target white male conservatives are already in place!

So let's roll back the state infrastructor, rather then expand it.

[Black Agnes]

Centralization *is* the key here. YOU are not listening. Before the STASI, there certainly were ways of reporting crime. STASI wasn't about reporting crime, it was about scaring your neighbor and everyone living in *fear* of what some pissant government official might think or do. Just think of all the wonders of the press generated 'horrors' or McCarthyism, only now the questions will be 'are you now or have you ever been a conservative/gunowner/Christian/etc'? If the means are *already* in place *why* this special operation? Do you honestly think Hillary/Gore wouldn't go for broke with this one?

[Texasforever]

I give up. Yes we are behind the iron curtain.

[Indrid Cold]

The ATF, believe me.

[Indrid Cold]

The ATF, believe me.

[ellery]

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Amerigomag]

Had we been more vigilant in our immigration policy or if we had a coherent immigration policy for that matter the word "American" would not appear in this article.

To get a flavor for this supposition copy the article to a word processor, replace the words American(s) and citizen(s) with the word foreign national(s) or illegal alien(s) and then reread the article.

[BJClinton]

I suppose this could turn into a shouting match that won't get much accomplished. Do we have any hard evidence of the structure it's going to take?

As I understand it, reports go into a database for federal law-enforcement agencies. How will the information be vetted? There are questions that still need to be answered about the whole program. I went to the website http://www.citizenscorp.gov/ and it pulled up nothing. Is there any real info other than the hysteria?

[Texasforever]

A penny saved is a penny earned. I can do clichés' also.