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To: Sangamon Kid
And please don't the cloud the distinction between affection and sexual gratification.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how draconian. For rest of us in mature, healthy relationships those two things do go hand in hand. You seem to fall all over yourself to separate sex and love when its not really necessary.

Do you realize that the Bible also talks about a husband's body not belonging to him, but belongs to his wife. And likewise, the women's body is not her own, but belongs to her husband.

Here you stumble again. I am familiar with the passage as it is written in the Torah. The King James version loses a little something in the translation. A husband's life belongs not to him, but resides within his wife. I'd be glad to quote the passage for you, but my keyboard speaks poor Hebrew.

Moral relativism pure and simple. So, life's toughest lessons have to be learned the hard way? "Good news, Daddy!! I just learned one of life's hardest lessons!...But the bad news is that I'm six months pregnant, and I'm not exactly sure who the father is."

Hmmm...sounds more like a responsibility issue now than a moral one. It's not anyone's job but your own to educate your child about safe sex, monagamy, and accountability. Sounds like you're not so sure you've been up to the task. One thing its so hard to get "holier than thous" to understand is that sex outside of marriage isn't always solely about promiscuity and self-indulgence. A marriage certificate is no guarantee against those either...as always it comes down to how two people feel about each other and how they respect each other.

When a man and woman live to please one another and not themselves, how can it be a dirty necessity?

Bingo. I knew you'd come around eventually.

I'll make it a worse case scenario. Did Adam and Eve have a piece of paper? Probably not, but they had approval and a witness to their union, which is probably why cultures throughout history valued marriage ceremonies. The scripture says that by the word of 2 or 3 witnesses let every fact be confirmed. I've never seen a ceremony for shacking up, have you?

Nope, no shaking up ceremonies unless you count the cookout you have to throw all your friends for helping you move the woman and her mountain of junk in. I have however, thanks to work, been in attendance at two gay weddings given by accredited Christian churches. You may call my personal relationship with God "moral relativism" but I'll take my version over either one of the pastors who performed the gay weddings anyday.
74 posted on 07/17/2002 7:26:44 PM PDT by SandfleaCSC
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To: SandfleaCSC
One thing its so hard to get "holier than thous" to understand is that sex outside of marriage isn't always solely about promiscuity and self-indulgence.

Enlighten me.

...but I'll take my version over either one of the pastors who performed the gay weddings anyday.

Wait a minute now, I'm not allowed to be "holier than thou" when I question your morality, but it's OK for you to be holier than either one of the pastors in question? You're still playing the relativity game.

76 posted on 07/17/2002 7:44:34 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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