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To: He Rides A White Horse
I agree.
354 posted on 07/17/2002 9:21:38 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: RobRoy
I won't beat it to death, but I'll reiterate what I said earlier. I would not want such a person in my neighborhood or community. Over and out.
355 posted on 07/17/2002 9:26:13 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Shooter 2.5; Lazamataz; dixie sass; He Rides A White Horse; fortheDeclaration; matrix; ...
Okee dokee.

Some of you have agreed with me on other subjects and others have disagreed with me on pretty much everything. I have wanted to take the time to more fully explain where I'm coming from on this issue.

I found a document I posted on one of those silly evolution vs. creationism threads that covers my "man vs. animal" position. Now, you might not agree with me after reading this (or you might), but you'll know where I am coming from.

So, if you're interested, read on...

Before I can have a passionate opinion on this subject, I have to ask two basic questions first: 1. What is this thing we call life and, 2. Why is it so sacred and precious?

And here are the corresponding answers:
1. Life is merely what could now be called highly sophisticated nano-technology, or a "Biological Machine."
2. Life isn't precious or sacred at all (and I believe Christianity supports this).

A biological machine (BM) is merely a collection of "non-living" atoms collected in such a way as to create a more complex organism, or machine, which is self replicating and self repairing. You could use this description for the Earth or the sun, but maybe not an individual rock, since it has no moving parts, other than those spinning within each atom - and if you break it even a little, it stays broken. Even Mars or Jupiter could be called living things using this definition, considering their flowing atmospheres and constantly moving magma, volcanoes, etc.

It is true that many groups and subgroups of BM seem to include some form of intelligence. But quite often, especially in the example of plants and insects, this is nothing more than the execution of a very simple computer program. In others, it is a very complex form of AI, as in the higher primates, whales and yes - man. BM's can be very sophisticated. Take the human BM. Like a nano-machine, it ingests materials containing a myriad of molecules, all containing different combinations of atoms. This human BM then uses some molecules as- is and breaks down others to extract only the atoms it needs to produce the materials it needs, like blood, muscle, a spleen, or even another human. What it doesn't need, it passes out as waste (poop), much as a gold mine has massive mounds of it's own poop. This waste material is then used as input to other BM's, and so it goes.

A BM also uses some of these atoms to provide itself energy. This means constant chemical reactions to keep the ol' atoms spinning and convert the atoms from input molecules into molecules needed by the BM.. That's why BM's have a warm core or, in the case of plants, depend solely on radioactive stimulation from the sun. This would also imply some sort of evolution as energy is consumed and depleted. Much as a '56 Nash may rust away in a field, so evolution works it's curse on all of creation (the universe, for evolutionsts). But rust is not what created the Nash.

I am only scratching the surface of this concept here, but it begs the question, why is life so precious or sacred anyway. As I stated above, it isn't, EXCEPT… Except for man - not because of his BM body, but because of what that body contains.

Some of the new drone airplanes (and satellites) are so sophisticated in their execution of decisions as to fool the uneducated into believing they contain a pilot. However, a fighter plane is far more valuable than one of the new drone planes for two reasons. One is minor - it costs more. The other is the core of the difference: The fighter contains a human. If a drone is lost, we build another one. If a fighter is lost with it's pilot, an irreplaceable human BM has been destroyed.

So now think of the human BM as the fighter plane. That is, it contains something that no other living thing - be it animal (a monkey) or mineral (a solar system or planet) - contains. That thing is the human spirit. No, I'm not talking about the mind, memory or intelligence -, these are results of the wrinkles on a small part (the brain) of the BM contained in its upper extremity - it is a mere organ and a part of the BM. No, I'm talking about the eternal spirit that ALL human BM's poses. Without that spirit, a human BM is, as are all animals, so much meat and bone. And all that meat is just a very complex and sophisticated Biological Machine.

From my perspective, that makes all non human life nothing more than members of a group I call "Natural Resources," to be consumed, managed and otherwise exploited for the pleasure of man, who exists solely for the pleasure of God.

In a sense, we, and the universe we occupy, are God's ant farm. And our bodies are to be treated with the respect the Bible instructs - Not for the preservation of the body itself, but because it is the "temple" of the spirit. It was created by God as the Spirits Earthly dwelling place, and it's span in years is not to be reduced by man for trivial reasons.

I think the only reason we have a hard time believing the trillions, in number and type, of BM's with which we come into contact every day are actually created by God is that we have accepted their, and our existence as "natural" for as long as we have been able to call ourselves "conscious" - and because God, in his infinite wisdom, chose to neglect the application of a serial number or manufacturers logo. He must've thought it unimportant (and maybe entertaining to boot). Reminds me of the old joke, "how do you keep an idiot in suspense…"

To the creationist, among whom I count myself, I challenge you to show me anything I have written here that contradicts anything written in His Word.

To the evolutionist, a similar challenge. Does any scientific "proof" currently available contradict anything I have posited here?

The real question for me is, did God create the universe and what we call "life," or is there no God and our very existence is just coincidence. I'm sorry folks, but this is not an intellectual question as some would have you believe. You can no more answer this question with your limited "human meat" BM brain than can your dog. Go to a mountaintop, your car, your closet or a skating rink and call out to God, sincerely, and see what answer you get. Then go from there.

We search in vain for the Architect within the structure of His creation - questioning His very existence, simply because we refuse to see His personality in what He has created, of which we are a part.

He is not in the closet. He is not in the parlor. He is not hiding in the water heater. And yet the entire structure, except for us, cries out of His purpose and yes, His presence - within the design itself.

358 posted on 07/17/2002 9:39:59 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: RobRoy
Here's more details from this morning's paper...."Benoit, who on Monday had the remains of a black eye, said he been arrested in Liberty (MO) recently for blowing up his toilet with a firecracker."

"...has numerous convictions dating to 1998 including for stealing, marijuana possession, disorderly conduct and interfering with police."

"On Friday, Benoit is scheduled to appear in Independence municipal court on a domestic violence assault charge from March."

Sounds like quite a guy...
362 posted on 07/17/2002 9:49:02 AM PDT by SandyEgo
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