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To: Askel5
Animals are indeed different from us. For one, they have a lot more hair.

However, I don't think the distinction means that it is weakness to deeply care about the ones that have been in our lives, and cry and mourn their suffering or their loss...

My life is richer for caring about them. I happen to think there are an awful lot of things that are worth caring about that are not human beings... I like my way better than yours, and I am not changing.

To say that the woman did not truly care because she did not snap its neck is narrow. Not everyone can do that... not everyone is a Kansas Housewife. She cared in the way she knew how.
129 posted on 07/16/2002 5:27:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't think my grandma was upbraiding me so much for being weak or emotional as she was appalled by the notion of falling to pieces over an animal dead over thirty years that was expeditiously -- and rightfully so -- killed on the spot.

It was my Dad's killing the cat that put me over the edge, I'm sure. Though -- like I said -- I'd eaten game at that table and perfectly cool with the notion of killing animals every bit as "sentient" as house cats (save for their brains being even all the more keen for their living in the wild on their own as opposed to conniving off of humans ... how easy is that? =)

I've always wondered if -- had I been a member of the Donner party -- whether I'd have been so hungry as to eat the corpse of a human I knew who'd died a natural death.

I'm almost certain that despite my dog's being the center of my universe in many respects, had he been on the trip I'd have been hard pressed to admit his life was more precious than that of the humans who might find some sustenance from sucking his bones.

Those all are hypotheticals, though. And hypotheticals -- particularly worst case scenarios and extreme circumstances -- are a terrible way to decide on what is True and the right thing to do.

I guess what bothers me is the way an Extreme Circumstance like this -- particularly the Extraordinary Measures taken to save the kitten's life until the State stepped in and did the Right Thing by Killing it -- rings odd for me.

One ... I don't like stories where the State does the right thing by requiring the killing anything or anybody. (Rabid dogs perhaps being the exception if there be no Atticus's around to take care of their own.)

Two ... it's particularly galling that they'd "force feed" a cat when the vogue in courtrooms in Britain and the US these days is to argue that Food and Water (a/k/a ANH or Artificial Nutrition and Hydration) are somehow an extraordinary measure to keep a comatose patient alive.

In Basil's thread yesterday, she told us of how "her mind played tricks on her" and despite her being in complete cardiac arrest, she Knew she was screaming, convulsing and getting no help whatsoever from the doctors she saw around her.

This cat was alert and badly burnt and requiring Forced feeding. Compassion would have meant killing it on the spot ... the tale circulating locally, perhaps, of the horrible deed and unsettling aftermath.

But this makes the wires somehow (at FR, anyway), and "send the wrong message". We know about "sending a message" here, don't we?

I'm sorry for upsetting anyone's feelings, if not sensibilities, by complaining. But I'm sorely tempted just once to come on a thread like this and mock those with a fixation about kitten Persons as opposed Human persons.

One might think that SPECIES, even, would somehow connote the greater difference of degree in Singer-style Personhood (as entitled to Respect and Right to Life free from purposefully inflicted suffering for whatever reason) than having cleared the birth canal is for BOTH cats and humans.
(Laz quite rightly observed most would draw the same difference in degree between unborn and 7-week old kittens as they would unborn and 7-week old humans).

But is that Bright Line that is the birth canal (as opposed to Specie or Class or Reason or Conscience) something we as humans have always known or something that's been imposed on us by stories like these where Extraordinary Measures for unwanted stray kittens are more understandable than a respirator and feeding tube for one's unconscious kin?

That's my problem. I don't like the transference that's going on.

For water finds a level. If we entitle animals to Extraordinary Measures (besides the ones you're damned right I'll go to for my dog as long as he's happy and painfree), it seems humans may end up end up enjoying in turn some of the ethics of breeders (where drowning puppies is concerned) or the Humane Society (where putting the unwated to sleep) are concerned, that's all.

I stand by all my points (oblique as they may be), but it's the manipulation and redirection of our feelings that offends me with this article.

Surely this sort of violence is as matter-of-fact daily occurence as death in the womb. (or is it?) Surely it's gone on as long as man's been alive. (like abortion)

Why is The One Kitten such a big deal?

210 posted on 07/16/2002 7:51:07 PM PDT by Askel5
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