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Astronomers Hope to Find E.T. in Next 25 Years
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | Tue Jul 16, 6:34 AM ET | By Belinda Goldsmith

Posted on 07/16/2002 7:40:55 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

CANBERRA (Reuters) - Scientists searching the stars for aliens are convinced an E.T. is out there -- it's just that they haven't had the know-how to detect such a being.

But now technological advances have opened the way for scientists to check millions of previously unknown star systems, dramatically increasing the chances of finding intelligent life in outer space in the next 25 years, the world's largest private extraterrestrial agency believes.

"We're looking for needles in the haystack that is our galaxy, but there could be thousands of needles out there," Seth Shostak, the senior astronomer at California's non-profit Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence ( news - web sites) (SETI) Institute, told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday.

"If that's the case, with the number of new star systems we now hope to check, we should find one of those in the next 25 years."

But Shostak, visiting Australia to attend a conference on extraterrestrial research, said detecting alien life, like the big-eyed alien in the film E.T., was only the start.

"Even if we detect life out there, we'll still know nothing about what form of life we have detected and I doubt they'll be able -- or want -- to communicate with us," Shostak said.

Since it was founded in 1984, the SETI Institute has monitored radio signals, hoping to pick up a transmission from outer space. Its Project Phoenix conducts two annual three-week sessions on a radio telescope at Arecibo, Puerto Rico.

Project Phoenix, widely seen as the inspiration for the 1997 film "Contact" starring Jodie Foster, which depicted a search for life beyond earth, is the privately funded successor to an original NASA ( news - web sites) program that was canceled in 1993 amid much skepticism by the U.S. Congress.

But the search has been slow. About 500 of 1,000 targeted stars have been examined -- and no extraterrestrial transmissions have been detected.

E.T. NOT ON THE LINE

"We do get signals all the time but when checked out they have all been human made...and are not from E.T., more AT&T," said Shostak.

He said the privately-funded institute was developing a giant US$26 million telescope to start operating in 2005 that can search the stars for signals at least 100 times faster.

The so-called Allen Telescope Array, named after sponsor and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, is a network of more than 350, six-meter (20-foot) satellite dishes with a collecting area exceeding that of a 100-meter (338-foot) telescope.

The Allen array, to be built at the Hat Creek Observatory about 290 miles northeast of San Fransciso, will also expand the institute's stellar reconnaissance to 100,000 or even one million nearby stars, searching 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Shostak said he is convinced there is intelligent life out there -- but don't expect to find a loveable, boggle-eyed E.T..

He said if any aliens share the same carbon-based organic chemistry as humans, they would probably have a central processing system, eyes, a mouth or two, legs and some form of reproduction.

But Shostak thinks any intelligent extraterrestrial life will have gone light years beyond the intelligence of man.

"What we are more likely to hear will be so far beyond our own level that it might not be biological anymore but some artificial form of life," he said. "Don't expect a blobby, squishy alien to be on the end of the line."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: alien; astronomers; et; extraterrestrial; godlessheathens; paranormal; sethshostak; seti; ufo
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To: FormerLurker
http://www.webworker.com/spiritual/sacred.html

also check out Bob Frissell and his work on sacred geometry. amazing.

two days ago I downloaded this image, after reading the book.

201 posted on 07/16/2002 6:49:02 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
These atheists can look all they want but they are going to find any UFOs. They don't exist.

Even the cargo cult folks living on the South Pacific had more reason for the return of the military with all their goodies than for supposedly rational folks who actually think we will find some ET out there. The chance of finding intelligent life somewhere else in the Universe ranks somewhat below the chance of David Osborne being elected Senator from Florida.

202 posted on 07/16/2002 6:52:28 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: FormerLurker
also
203 posted on 07/16/2002 6:52:46 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: VadeRetro
The credulity of folks like you leaves me more dismayed than spee(e)chless.

Why don't you try it yourself genius? I'd bet you couldn't due it with a team of helpers with unlimited time, let alone 4 hours. And I mean make it PERFECT, as in the original crop circle.

The self-righteous indignation of folks like YOU who can't ascertain the wheat from the chaff makes ME want to spew. Just because something goes against your preconcieved notion of what is possible and what isn't, you think people with more insight are fools. You'd probably have believed the Earth was flat if you were born several centuries ago, and you more than likely would have ridiculed those who thought otherwise.

204 posted on 07/16/2002 7:02:13 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Physicist
I can't help but be biased- some of my best friends are made of carbon.

Any other kind of life is just pure speculation. It is not based on fact. Look, I really wanted it to be the other way. I wanted a Star Trek universe ever since I was a kid. Alas, the facts (so far at least) overwhelmingly point in a different direction. Hang on to your speculation if it brings you comfort- and ping me right away if they do find what you are looking for. I will rejoice with you.

205 posted on 07/16/2002 7:04:27 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe,

Please see http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design_evidences/20020502_solar_system_design.html?main

to understand the factual reasons for my position. This is not the way I wanted it to be. If we are not alone it is a miracle.

206 posted on 07/16/2002 7:08:02 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: DAnconia55
Please see my #205 and 206 where two other freepers make the same points you do.
207 posted on 07/16/2002 7:09:25 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: VadeRetro
"Pass the bread" is not a Voltaire reference.

Not only that, it doesn't fit.

208 posted on 07/16/2002 7:15:13 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: Physicist
M. Night Shyamalan plot prediction: Mel Gibson, standing in for Bruce Willis, is an alien, but doesn't know it.

That WOULD be an interesting twist wouldn't it? I find it even MORE interesting though that Scientific American felt it necessary to launch a preemptive strike to debunk the film before it's even released. I can't wait to see the movie, it must contain some seriously thought provoking material.

Incidently, what do you think of the derivation of the crop circle from a Tetractys(which the author misspelled as Tetractys)?

(Looking forward to this one, actually. For as good as The Sixth Sense was, I liked Unbreakable even more.)

I've never seen Unbreakable, but after just looking it up on the web, I think I'm going to be renting it soon...

209 posted on 07/16/2002 7:16:32 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Why don't you try it yourself genius? I'd bet you couldn't due it with a team of helpers with unlimited time, let alone 4 hours. And I mean make it PERFECT, as in the original crop circle.

I don't have my own crops to experiment with, so I'd have to be flattening someone else's attempt to make a living in my messing around. Just now, I don't feel like being that sort of person.

The self-righteous indignation of folks like YOU who can't ascertain the wheat from the chaff makes ME want to spew. Just because something goes against your preconcieved notion of what is possible and what isn't, you think people with more insight are fools. You'd probably have believed the Earth was flat if you were born several centuries ago, and you more than likely would have ridiculed those who thought otherwise.

The standard spew from someone whose delusional system is under attack. The burden of proof isn't on me here. I know you don't think so, but trust me on this. It's on the people who say the circles have anything to do with ET.

As the article said, if undergraduates can do it, you don't need aliens. If you don't need aliens, it's unjustified to put them in. (That's what that "Occam's Razor" stuff is all about.)

210 posted on 07/16/2002 7:21:49 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
If memory serves, this is the first we are in agreement Vade. I watched them make crop circles on cable TV.

ET--not.

Brian.

211 posted on 07/16/2002 7:24:01 PM PDT by bzrd
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To: bzrd
There's a first time for everything! :)
212 posted on 07/16/2002 7:25:47 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: galt-jw
You might want to take a look at this link..

The Sacred Geometry of Crop Circles

213 posted on 07/16/2002 7:28:12 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: VadeRetro
Now...those geometric shapes carved into rock that are down in Central America...or is it South America...the ones you can only see from the sky.

That could be an ET phenom.

Brian.

214 posted on 07/16/2002 7:28:34 PM PDT by bzrd
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To: bzrd
I watched them make crop circles on cable TV.

That were easily identified as hoaxes. Nobody can make the real ones, at least nobody from this place and time.

215 posted on 07/16/2002 7:29:53 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Physicist
Let me guess

I wouldn't have it any other way.

216 posted on 07/16/2002 7:31:24 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: bzrd
The Atacama Desert stuff. I suspect not. For one thing, I doubt if aliens would fly across the universe to draw pics of earth monkeys in the dirt. And you can probably do it without an eye in the sky if you have a little geometry.
217 posted on 07/16/2002 7:31:46 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: FormerLurker
There is nothing sacred about geometry within the context of my theological veiw.

Brian.

218 posted on 07/16/2002 7:33:08 PM PDT by bzrd
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To: VadeRetro
It's a matter of conjecture regardless of whether you posit ET the Nephilim or our ancestors as an explanation for the Atacama Desert "drawings".

If I had to bet I would go with the Nephilim.

Brian.

219 posted on 07/16/2002 7:39:40 PM PDT by bzrd
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To: FormerLurker
Madam Blavatsky must be proud.

Honestly, it just leaves you speechless.

Would that were true.

220 posted on 07/16/2002 7:40:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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