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Detoxing the Markets: Bears Still Look Hungry
Source: www.thestreet.com ^ | 07/16/2002 | By Peter Eavis

Posted on 07/16/2002 4:50:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Capitulation, my foot.

Monday's trading may have created one of the most gut-wrenching days in stock market history, but it hasn't brought equity values to a bottom. A broad market index like the S&P 500 must slide another 20% or more from here before it is properly valued. Chillingly, even after this year's 30% drubbing, tech stocks must lose half their current value to reach sensible levels.

other words, the S&P and the Nasdaq will both need to drop to around 700 before stocks hit a floor. The one piece of good news is that we're in the last leg of the postbubble correction. But as all action-movie fans know, the last sequence is always the bloodiest. The end is nigh, but it is also in sight. The bad guys in this story are yet to be slain: nosebleed valuations, earnings tampering and a hamstrung macro environment.

(One big caveat: Despite the bleakness of the last few days, stocks almost certainly won't go straight down from here. Recall how long it took for the Nasdaq to hit Detox's target of 1500.)

Despite the selling, a substantial reserve of bullishness still exists on the Street. A clear sign of that is onetime bears like Bank of America's Tom McManus telling people to buy more stocks. Meanwhile, the Fed's monetary policy is extremely loose, and that is keeping the financial system intact -- at least for now. And the selling surely won't be done until we stop hearing the idiotic mantra that equities are cheap because they've fallen so far. On that yardstick, Adelphia, Enron and WorldCom are all screaming buys.

Fundamentals drive markets over the long term, and they still bode ill. Don't be tricked by the argument that because we're trading at close to 15 times expected 2002 earnings for the S&P 500 companies, we must be close to a bottom. Fifteen times is close to the long-term average multiple for the index.

Yes, the index is trading at around 18 times the $51.14 of forecast operating profits. And yes, these may be trough earnings for some sectors. But why are forecast as-reported earnings -- that is, earnings after certain charges and supposedly nonrecurring items -- so much lower at $35.47?

Some of the gap has to do with thedifferent ways that S&P collects as-reported and operating earnings,but it is also because operating earnings generally leaveout goodwill writedowns that have been necessitated by the introduction of a new accounting rule.

Now, there is some argument for keeping a chunk of those writedowns out. But these won't be the last goodwill writedowns we see; as accountants are forced to do their jobs properly, such charges to intangible assets are likely to become a lot more regular. Quite right, these may not be cash charges, but in most cases it took cash to buy or build those assets in the first place.

For those reasons, it makes sense to factor in some of the goodwill charges. Very roughly, that could be done by taking a midpoint between as-reported earnings and operating earnings. That gets us to around $43 in S&P 500 forecast 2002 earnings. Multiplying that by the 15 multiple makes 645 -- close enough to Detox's 700 target for the index.

At the same time, tech stocks have to continue tanking. If we use the S&P 500's information technology sector index as a rough yardstick for tech names, the sector is trading at an absurd 38 times forecast 2002 operating earnings. If we halve that multiple to 20 times, that sector index must also fall by 50%, all else being equal. And 20 times is an aggressive valuation for a sector that is crawling out of one of the biggest busts in history. Apply the halving principle to the Nasdaq and you're at 700 once again.

Of course, any discussion based on earnings assumes we can trust the profits numbers that are reported. As we have seen, that's about as advisable as letting Hannibal Lecter babysit your firstborn. The bulls will retort that once the SEC's deadline passes this fall for CEOs to pledge that their company's numbers are clean, the market will be able to rally.

But who's to say the liars won't keep lying? The wording of the pledge is loose enough to let a top dog weasel his way out if chicanery is exposed later. And even if generally accepted accounting principles are adhered to, the stuff called earnings may bear little relation to what is generally thought to be profits. Actually, it's not even clear that professional money managers know what profits are, given the extent to which postmodern blurriness has infected institutional investors. It's quite mystifying why the head of, say, the Janus Twenty fund hasn't been dragged before Congress for losing billions in mom and pop money. Why the brokers and the accountants and not the people who actually destroyed the wealth?

Completing the nightmare, the Fed can do little more and is looking more and more like the Bank of Japan each day. It has cut rates like crazy and unleashed an unprecedented credit boom -- even in the midst of an economic slowdown, a phenomenon few economists can explain. But this lending bingewon't offer much lasting help, because all it has done is inflate prices in the housing and services sector, shore up demand for autos and make it much easier for the government to suddenly run up a huge deficit. All those uses are consumptive and divert resources from productivity-enhancing investment. What's more, firms are too debt-laden to go back to '90s-level investment spending.

As Alan Greenspan massively raises the supply of dollars, the greenback's price -- surprise, surprise -- is falling against other currencies and gold. It's easy to see why foreigners are heading for the exits: First, in this postbubble, overleveraged environment, the opportunity for good returns has diminished. Moreover, the Fed is deliberately cheapening the dollar that the outsider eventually aims to get paid back in.

But the domestic investor has stayed relatively faithful. Sure, individual flows into the market are way down, but mutual fund flows are still strong, in large part because of the captive 401(k) flows. A reversal of those flows will be the next shoe to drop. And it will trample stocks still further. Capitulation means surrender. And the bears can still safely cry: "No surrender!" Even after a day like Monday.


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[Long term] Market prediction is delivered.
1 posted on 07/16/2002 4:50:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: ken5050; rohry; Southack
No-bottom-yet bump.
2 posted on 07/16/2002 4:51:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Poohbah; Tauzero; #3Fan
Bears still chomping bump.
3 posted on 07/16/2002 4:53:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: A Navy Vet; headsonpikes; Sir Gawain
Buy-high-Sell-low bump.
4 posted on 07/16/2002 4:54:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: dighton; Timesink; andy_card
2002-election-blues bump.
5 posted on 07/16/2002 4:55:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: ironman; Dog Gone; FITZ
penny-cost-averaging bump.
6 posted on 07/16/2002 4:56:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: glc1173@aol.com; meandog; RightWhale
Tank-MacNamara bump.
7 posted on 07/16/2002 4:57:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Willie Green; smith288; A. Pole
Derailing the Market Maglev Train bump.
8 posted on 07/16/2002 4:59:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Let's pretend there is a PPT. The PPT cleaned out a lot of shorts yesterday. Put them on notice that feasting off a subsiding stock market can be painful. Shorts accelerate what would be a gradual/orderly decline.

PPT= plunge protection team run by our federal government through Treasury

9 posted on 07/16/2002 5:05:03 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Lazamataz
wait a minute!

bill clinton broke the business cycle. . .

islam is a religion of peace . . .

the check's in the mail. . .

it's not you, it's me. . .

10 posted on 07/16/2002 5:06:12 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: dennisw
PPT= plunge protection team run by our federal government through Treasury

I agree. But Alan Greenspuge and the PPT are running out of rope. If you've noticed, the huge increase in the money supply (which then appears to be used to fund the Plunge Protection Team) seems to be causing a precipitious drop in the dollar.

They cannot afford much more Plunge Protection. The markets should equalize at their justifiable levels anyways. All they are doing is making things worse and giving us a weak dollar to boot.

Inflation will occur if they keep this up, as well. I am shocked it hasn't!

11 posted on 07/16/2002 5:10:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Will the Mods change your title at the end of the day to "Bears Out to Lunch"?
12 posted on 07/16/2002 5:10:43 AM PDT by cibco
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To: bandlength
My two favorites have always been:

1) The check's in your mouth.

2) I promise I won't *** in the mail.

13 posted on 07/16/2002 5:11:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: cibco; Registered
Will the Mods change your title at the end of the day to "Bears Out to Lunch"?

That was something. They just cannot seem to keep their hands off the titles, should the article be one that is negative (if still realistic).

One Admin Mod asked if the title should go back to the way I posted it. Polite fellow. So I said, "Yes, please do". He or she complied.

Not two hours later, there was YET ANOTHER title change. This time there was no Admin Moderator asking if the title change was okay.

I'm feeling like my articles are METRA trains and the Admin Mod's (as well as many posters) cannot help but tag them with graffiti. Satis est potuisse videri.

14 posted on 07/16/2002 5:18:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Oh well... if patterns hold, the DOW will go up 145 today and every one will relax and start buying. Buy on the dips ya know. Or was that buy the Dips?
15 posted on 07/16/2002 5:24:39 AM PDT by cibco
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To: Lazamataz
If there was such a surge in the money supply, then gold would be at $380.Please keep in mind that the dollar lost 50% of its value from 1985-'88, and the world didn't break into lil pieces.

And this idea of a PPT is so ridiculous, that well, it could only come from a piker.This is what bear markets are like.Everyone has a pet theory why things sell off.They sell off because they NEED to be sold.

So, head back to the shower or try the beach....
16 posted on 07/16/2002 5:46:28 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
Here's an interesting chart. The last remaining supply side economy (Russia) is in blue, the New Hoover economy is in red.


17 posted on 07/16/2002 5:51:31 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Lazamataz
2) I promise I won't *** in the mail.

Oh man. I thought that was piegon droppings! You sick ...

18 posted on 07/16/2002 5:51:46 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Moonman62
A 500% rise doesn't mean much when you're starting from ten bucks.
19 posted on 07/16/2002 5:53:09 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: habs4ever
If there was such a surge in the money supply, then gold would be at $380.

Are you denying that there has been an extreme surge in the money supply?

And on what do you base the theory that US money supplies are the primary driver of gold price?

And this idea of a PPT is so ridiculous, that well, it could only come from a piker.

Hey, I'm with you! And that whole TWA800 thing? It really was the center fuel tank spontaneously exploding! I also think the pristine bullet really did go through JFK, Wallace, and that third fellow and emerge perfect and undamaged! And President Clinton never had sex in the Oval Office! It's all true!

After all, the government has NO MOTIVATION to tamper with the markets. None. Nope. Not a whit.

This is what bear markets are like.Everyone has a pet theory why things sell off.They sell off because they NEED to be sold.

Nice hat and magnifying glass, Sherlock.

But the fall cannot be too precipitous, and that's where the PPT comes in.

20 posted on 07/16/2002 5:58:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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